February 21, 2014 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #612189
Can someone explain to me why frum yeshivas feel it’s necessary to open school during snowstorms while public schools and modern schools are closed? Besides for the fun of snow days and playing in the snow and having time off, but isn’t it dangerous to keep the yeshiva open?February 21, 2014 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #1005216
if it’s dangerous, just keep your kid home. Why does my kid need to not learn just because it’s too dangerous for you?February 21, 2014 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1005217
Cmon popa can you be serious for once? G-d forbid a kid misses a day of learning; New York had weather advisories that people shouldn’t be on the road and the frum yeshivas were openFebruary 21, 2014 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1005218
kfb – The yeshiva is open but warm inside. If you weren’t gonna let your kids outside that day, don’t send them. But if, like you said, it’s dangerous, then they shouldn’t be outside playing either.
I happen to like when my kids get a break so I let them stay home whenever I get an excuse to do so, but regarding your question, our kids school said that IF you have a safe way to get to school, please do so, otherwise stay home. The building was warm and they had extra space heaters.
The school “rewarded” the boys with a day of sledding when the weather warmed.February 21, 2014 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1005219
I am being serious. Why do you need the school to salve your conscience? You have the same information the school has; if it isn’t safe, don’t send your kidsFebruary 21, 2014 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1005220squeakParticipant
Clearly they mean to do the opposite of all the non frum yeshivas.February 21, 2014 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1005221
Doesn’t it remind you of socialism? De blasio kept schools open recently and he said kids are safer in school and get taken care of and fed. Same thing with these frum yeshivas. The rabbis would rather them go to school even in dangerous conditions bc they don’t want then to stay home watching tv and playing video gamesFebruary 21, 2014 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1005222
Doesn’t it remind you of socialism?
Not really. I think that if a Rebbe is willing to put himself out for kids to have a more productive day that is very virtuous. Like I said, I personally prefer a day off, but that doesn’t mean they are wrong for not calling one.February 21, 2014 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1005223iakMember
kfb – Interesting point. I would say you have a good point if not for the fact De Blasio also kept schools open.
And to your argument that it is compared to socialism. I disagree. its worse. It is a different form of rule where education management in the frum communities have a constant belief that they are saving their students from their own home. It is this fear of the home that is being instilled in our children. Unfortunately, as we all know the home is all we have. Destroying it for sake of holiness will not get us as a nation anywhere.February 21, 2014 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1005224
iak – seriously? Is that an old prejudice that lingers on? I have no doubt many of the yeshivos had no such thought (even if some did).
In my city I heard people complain that if the school closed for a day, they want a make up day or a refund. And do you think the teachers want a make up day? Many would rather just open (I work in a public school where many made the same comment)
Trust me, many of the parents don’t want the kids home and resent days off. Many work and don’t have child care options. Many don’t have the patience, and many can’t stand watching their kids spend the day playing video games. Whatever the reason, don’t be so sure you can speak for them all(or any?)February 21, 2014 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1005225
Iak, I couldn’t agree more. The rabbis and yeshivas are scared the children might learn a different behavior or way of life that doesn’t conform to the yeshiva system. Syag- who said the rebbe is putting himself out there for the children? If the principal decides to open school then the rebbe is forced to go. I understand that it’s hard for 2 working parents when there’s a snowday, but if you’re a stayathome parent then it’s nice to spend time with your kids.February 21, 2014 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1005226akupermaParticipant
A largenumber of yeshivos have boarding students, and even many who don’t have many students and teachers who live close by. The more modern schools and public schools tend to be all “day students” (commuters) and teachers are less likely to live in the same neighborhood. You should be comparing them to private schools with on site dormitories.
I seriously doubt a yeshiva would penalize a teacher or student who didn’t make it from a different neighborhood (especially if they had to drive). I suspect the teachers who need to drive to work were very much annoyed, but after all, its their boy who got elected on a promise of helping surpress anti-union activists (which is more important than money to them).February 21, 2014 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1005227
kfb – yes, as I typed it I knew that would become the point.
The Rebbe wasn’t “forced” to go, he could also have called in ‘unavailable’. The school was open to those who WERE able to go. And like I said, I’m all for a 4 day school week that ends each day at 3, but this isn’t about what makes me happy, I was trying to address your question.February 21, 2014 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #1005228
Can someone explain to me why someone whose thought process is so much more like the non frum yeshivos than the frum ones sends to a frum one? (OP’s terminology, not mine)February 23, 2014 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1005229
Syag- do you think it’s right if the schools open and some kids can’t attend because of the dangerous conditions? They’re going to have to make up the work that their classmates did and they miss the socialization that the other kids who attended that day get. If the reason for keeping yeshivas open is because G-d forbid a kid misses a day of learning, then I don’t think that’s worth risking your life to get to school for.February 23, 2014 4:38 am at 4:38 am #1005230squeakParticipant
DY- you can start by telling me what a non frum yeshiva is like I asked before.February 24, 2014 3:50 am at 3:50 am #1005231
Squeak, the fathers wear colored shirts.February 24, 2014 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1005232
There seems to be some obviliusness to the weather patterns in some frum communities. A relative in lakewood had told me he didnt even bother with the Radio during hurricane Irine (There was some special radio broadcast from Israel that would go on if there was a need to evacuate Lakewood during the storm) and another didnt even bother to listen to evacuate Far Rockaway during hurricane Sandy.February 24, 2014 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #1005233
There seems to be some obliviousness as to what goes on in frum communities.
ZD, do you really think that large numbers of frum people didn’t know of the impending storms?February 24, 2014 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1005234
They knew about the storms but just didnt seem to care , Their attitude was Hashem will decide and there was nothing they could do about itFebruary 24, 2014 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1005235mewhoParticipant
once the kids were in school that is one thing . getting them to school SAFELY is anotherFebruary 24, 2014 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1005236yacr85Participant
IAK KFB. Sometimes I get a headache processing the dribbling bumbling nonsense coming from people’s mouths.
Are you seriously suggesting that because a Yeshiva wanted to open on a snow day, that is because they want to save the children from their own homes? Have you been bitten by a mad dog?!
For a minute I thought you were Popa with one of his humorous posts (Popa that’s a compliment btw)
So please explain how those schools give any vacation! Surely even one day of vacation is so called ‘destroying the kids’
As I said, I’m getting a headache from your lunacy and sheer extremism.
And then someone said something about socialism!February 24, 2014 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1005238
I have heard of times where yeshivos have children who they try to protect from their homes. Children who they have accepted and deal with even though they do not get paid and they are not typical. Those are children who, nebach, are in dysfunctional families. These are children who have to be protected from home. Every other instance and every other yeshivah very much work and understand that parents are more than just partners in teaching children and in school and life lessons.
If you find that the school is trying to keep your children from being influenced by the home, it is probably for a good reason. VDALFebruary 24, 2014 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1005240
Am I the only one who thinks kfb and iak are the same person?
You possibly are.February 24, 2014 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1005241
Yacr85- don’t get me started on the vacation days for these yeshivos. I taught at one of these yeshivas when I was younger and the Winter vacation consisted of Thursday, Friday and Sunday. You call that a vacation? The modern schools have a whole week offFebruary 24, 2014 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1005242
I found the tablet article that spawned this thread.February 24, 2014 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1005243iakMember
Yes you got me. I am the same as kfb…No thank you. I actually disagree with KFB that this is socialism.February 24, 2014 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1005244
Syag- do you think it’s right if the schools open and some kids can’t attend because of the dangerous conditions? They’re going to have to make up the work that their classmates did and they miss the socialization that the other kids who attended that day get.
I’m not sure if you are even serious with this question. The teachers can review, do activities, play lots of different games (like jeapordy, around the world, tic tac toe) that use review questions to play. That’s what we did on snowy days (in my very modern, zionist, co-ed school) when some didn’t show, or on days when the flu was going around and lots of kids were missing.
My dad talks about a day when only three boys showed up for school so they worked on memorizing some of the after-brochos.February 24, 2014 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1005245
Socialism is a red herring to the discussion.February 24, 2014 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1005246
“They’re going to have to make up the work that their classmates did and they miss the socialization that the other kids who attended that day get.”
This is such narishkeit.February 24, 2014 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1005247
“frum yeshiva open during snowstorms”
Frum shuls were open too. Perhaps they should have remained shuttered as well.February 25, 2014 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1005248
Yes shuls were open because adult men can walk to shul if its not too dangerous, but to send your child in a car to school on such a day where so many accidents occur is just “narishkeit”February 25, 2014 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1005249
Either you missed the part about “if you can safely make it” or you dont care and are simply looking to take a swipe at “frum yeshivos”.
Typically, adults are ones who drive carpools, not kids. Similarly adults are the ones who drive the school bus. If you trust their judgement when heading out to shul or some other place, then you can trust their judgement if they feel it is safe to drive their kids to school. Unless of course you subscribe to the school of thought that people are incapable of sound judgement, and require the government to legislate it for them, but that is a red herring.February 25, 2014 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1005250
Soemtimes people will say since I am doing a Mitzvah Hashem will make sure nothing happens and its only a “little snow” and will drive to school.February 25, 2014 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1005251
These fools make up some concept of ????? ???? ???? ??????. Who ever heard of such a silly thing?February 25, 2014 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1005252Avram in MDParticipant
Can someone explain to me why frum yeshivas feel it’s necessary to open school during snowstorms while public schools and modern schools are closed? Besides for the fun of snow days and playing in the snow and having time off, but isn’t it dangerous to keep the yeshiva open?
Public school districts usually base their decision to open or close on whether their school buses can navigate the snow or ice covered streets, or whether conditions may deteriorate during the day where the buses cannot get the kids home. If their decision making were based on broader danger for students coming to school, then they would remain closed for much of the winter, because sidewalks used by kids walking to school may be icy for days or weeks after a snow event, and streets away from bus routes where students live may not be clear. If a particular yeshiva does not utilize buses, then why should it close?
Doesn’t it remind you of socialism?
Uhh, no. Actually, your complaint is more grounded in socialism, since you expect the schools to decide for the parents whether it is safe enough to go to school. It is ultimately the parents’ responsibility to assess conditions and determine whether it is safe to send their children to school. Most streets in a district may be plowed and salted, while yours is still treacherous. If you send your child out and s/he G-d forbid gets hurt, it’s not the fault of the open school, it’s your fault.February 26, 2014 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1005253
Socialism means the institution, government, authority decides what’s good for you and tells you what to do. The yeshiva decides to stay open in dangerous conditions while all the other schools are closed. The rabbis decide its safer for kids to be in school since they are able to learn and are away from the bad influence of their home. You tell me which one is socialismFebruary 26, 2014 1:03 am at 1:03 am #1005254
I must say that the complaint raised here is probably one of the most inane complaints posted in the CR. And that takes quite a stretch.
PBA is right, this was lifted out of a ridiculous article in Tablet. It was silly there and it did not get any smarter on its trip to this site.February 26, 2014 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1005255
You seem to be ignoring the same key words over and over:
the schools were open to anyone WHO COULD GET THERE SAFELY
and not only that, you name me ONE person who had school cancelled and actually stayed home. Do you think target closed? Did safeway close? No. Did ANYONE other than the schools close? No, because it was about bussing and walking, not about opening your front door and stepping outside!
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