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July 17, 2011 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #598024
A fund being administered by Rav Binyomin Eisenberger shlit”a, Rov of the Kletzky family, has been established to help the family get through these difficult times. One hundred percent of the monies contributed to this IRS recognized, tax deductible fund, will go directly to the Kletzky family.
Tax deductible checks can be made out to:
and should be sent to:
1448 56th Street
Brooklyn, New York, 11219July 18, 2011 12:24 am at 12:24 am #788323
Loss of income, burial, therapy, etc.July 18, 2011 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #788326
The father’s main business (as a van driver) is the current summer season transporting passengers and packages between downstate and upstate during the vacation months when people are traveling in those areas. So this is a large portion of his income.
Also, being in business for himself I’m not even sure what kind of insurance he has, but generally whatever it is generally only covers a portion of therapy and even then the good therapists generally only accept out of pocket payments and most plans don’t cover out of network.July 18, 2011 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #788330
With all the heartache this family has had to endure, I would not think it so terrible to help give them a little menuchas hanefesh, even if the money were collected to help ensure the financial future of their other children, (ad meah v’esrim shana). Although it is true that there are many competent therapists who accept insurance, there are issues with caps on therapy sessions allowed per year (and then the therapist has to begin explaining and requesting overrides on those caps) aside from the fact that the therapists who may be most skillful or trained in grief counseling and post traumatic stress disorder could likely not take insurance. Should we deny these people this option/need? Moreover, even if this family has a source of income in general, there may never be a more prudent time for them to stay home and work together on getting through this, r”l.July 18, 2011 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #788331alive and wellParticipant
i got helped from pretty horrid stuff through a therapist who took insuranceJuly 18, 2011 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #788332dorisMember
As a close friend of the family i know firsthand that every penny donated will be put to good use.I have lost someone close to me and i know the family is and will be experiencing unbelievable anguish and grief. If we can alleviate some of their financial struggle, it will not take away their pain but will make it a bit easier to bear. They live in a very tiny cramped apartment, and although they never complain, I am sure this is difficult especially under the circumstances. Aside from therapy, missed work, kvura,matzeiva shloshim seuda, etc… I feel that after such a horrifying trauma…so while this shouldn’t be looked upon as using the situation, anyone who wants to do something to help, one very practical way is financially. May Hashem bless you with only Simchos and may it be a Zchus for Leiby’s NeshamaJuly 18, 2011 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #788333walton157MemberJuly 19, 2011 12:23 am at 12:23 am #788334ItcheSrulikMember
mommamia22: Who was denying anyone anything? I was asking a simple question. In fact I donated.July 19, 2011 12:58 am at 12:58 am #788335a maminParticipant
mods: you for your sensitivity on this thread by editing what needed.July 19, 2011 2:55 am at 2:55 am #788336
I apologize if I offended you, Itchesrulik. Your question is a legitimate one, and I do not take it to mean that you will/did not donate. I think the discussion of costly private therapy bears elaboration regarding the reasons it might be needed as an option, for those who might wonder, when donating.July 19, 2011 3:02 am at 3:02 am #788337
“What are their needs….”
Come on now, the list is to big to imagine. For one how can you expect the father to rush back to work . His place is with his wife and daughters. If you want to give great, but I think asking what their needs are is very insensitive… You should be thankful that an opportunity to perform such a great mitzvah is at your feet….July 19, 2011 3:46 am at 3:46 am #788338ItcheSrulikMember
Fair enough. Sorry I jumped on you like that.July 19, 2011 3:47 am at 3:47 am #788339
Was there another response that was deleted? I just realized My response may have been regarding a comment that is no longer visible. I think each person has to decide how they want to help. As long as I know 100% of the funds collected will go to the family, I would not question it. That is how I think. Others may choose differently; that is their perogative.July 19, 2011 6:08 am at 6:08 am #788340aries2756Participant
It is most likely that there will be professionals offering their services free of charge to help this family, at least I hope they do. There certainly are enough Frum therapists to assist here. And I am also sure that any money donated to help this family will be appreciated and put to good use. Obviously it won’t be easy for Mr. Keltzky to get back to work in full swing after such a terrible loss especially if he finds out the details of his loss. It is not easy to get behind the wheel of a vehicle when you are in such emotional pain. In addition it might be necessary for them to move depending on how they handle living in their apartment without Leiby. There are a lot of things that are up in the air and will have to be addressed, so having some financial support from the community will certainly be helpful and will relieve some of the stress that will be normal in this situation.July 19, 2011 10:47 am at 10:47 am #788341
Yes, the respond we responded to has mysteriously disappeared…which makes our response seem a bit harsh for no reason…July 19, 2011 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #788343
Can the check be dropped off at the Rov’s shul?July 20, 2011 1:47 am at 1:47 am #788344
Can the check be dropped off at the Rov’s shul?
The Beth Midrash is in the Yeshiva Tiferes Elimelech building which is not in session now. Heichal Hatefila only has minyan for Shachris.
1448 56ths st is the Rav’s home address and I dont remember seeing a mail slot when I passJuly 20, 2011 4:48 am at 4:48 am #788345dorisMember
Just an update: I was by the shiva house when a woman who did not know the family came to sit near Mrs. Kletzky. she appeared to be a “traditional” jew. She wrote a three page letter expressing her feelings about the tragedy and how it affected her. She said :”I hope you don’t mind, but I included a check. i want you to use it for whatever would have made Leiby happy”. All who were there were moved by her kindness. I also heard that Mayor Bloomberg left a check when he came to be menachem aval. Everyone who is moved to donate should know that it is so very appreciated and will IY”H enable the family to deal with their grief more easilyJuly 20, 2011 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #788346
See page c19 of today’s Hamodia.
So stop guessing whether the Kletzkys are in financial or not.
It is a memorial fund for FAMILIES in need. Nothing new for Horav Reb Binyomin’s B’Lev Echod
I tried to sign on to site mentioned in Ad but it is not operational yetJuly 20, 2011 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #788347am yisrael chaiParticipantJuly 20, 2011 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #788348
Here is message I just recieved from the Gabai at Heichal Hatefila (Rav Eisenberger’s BH”M)
Raboisay: Please fwd. To all those gite Yidden that are inquiring about donating Liluy Nishmas Leiby/Go To http://WWW.LEIBYKLETZKYMEMORIALFUND.COM
It is up & running. FYI read all the Q&AJuly 20, 2011 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #788349
FYI read all the Q&A Especially this
Question: I saw that other organizations using Leiby’s name. Are they affiliated with this Fund?
Answer: A number of well-meaning organizations are soliciting funds for projects using Leiby Kletzky’s name. The Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund is the only effort authorized by the family
Consult a competent Rav for advice on prioritiesJuly 20, 2011 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #788350
the best money i ever spent, pray to hashem that he will enable me to give more!July 20, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #788351
up over 7K raised already…and I think it just started todayJuly 20, 2011 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #788352
It was at $10 this morning. An hour later I saw it at $320.July 20, 2011 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #788353
Currently 676 people have donated $34,400 (not counting any mail-in contributions), in less than 12 hours of the site being up, making the average donation over $50. The goal is $1 Million.July 21, 2011 2:54 am at 2:54 am #788354
I am very happy that so many people are giving, monetarily and emotionally, to the Kletzky family, but it also makes me a little sad. I really hope I don’t come across as jealous, upset, or envious, but all the help poured out to this family in its time of need makes me wonder how I and other members of my own family would have turned out if we also had this amount of help from our community in our time of monumental distress. I am not comparing the disaster of this family to that of my own, because it is not fair to judge; But it just bothers me how so many people are willing to help for one type of tragedy, but not another type, when we clearly could have used support. I know this might have sounded arrogant or rude, and I’m sorry for that, but I needed to say it.July 21, 2011 4:28 am at 4:28 am #788355
It’s hard to say why they got and you didn’t when we don’t know what you went through. Maybe it’s a matter of “marketing”, so to speak. Their tragedy was so jarring and unexpected and I think the community connected to it in the sense that anyone with children, neices, nephews, grandchildren, was shocked into understanding how vulnerable all of our children are. So, donating is a way to help the family and give zchuyos to Leiby a’h when we were unable to help before, prompted by perhaps an unfulfilled wish to have succeeded in helping as well as being moved by all of our own fears and concerns for the safety of our loved ones. I don’t know how to ask this without putting you on the spot, but are you angry because you still need help? Maybe we can pool our resources of contacts to try to connect you to those who can give you the extra help at this time.July 21, 2011 4:53 am at 4:53 am #788356am yisrael chaiParticipant
You are speaking from the heart, ????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???. You’re obviously pained about it, and ???? ??? ??? ??????.
You do not sound arrogant or rude, just pained.
Without knowing details of your situation, just know that your family would have had to endure incredible media exposure and loss of privacy (besides murder)to obtain the level of giving that is currently taking place. Would you have been ready for that?
Are there other times when you have felt that others received more than you? Please keep in mind that Hashem gives everyone what they need in the right time.July 21, 2011 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #788357
MP Did you see the website? This fund is not for the Kletzky family. It is by the Kletzky family for familiies in distress. If there is gap in our Chesed network as you feel then maybe this will fill it somewhatJuly 21, 2011 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #788358
I appreciate the offer of help now, but that wouldn’t be necessary. I’m not even sure what I wanted to get from saying what I did, I just felt a need to say it. It was bothering me so much.July 21, 2011 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #788359yrabinowitzMember
MP – Thank you for your words. Though B”H I have never been faced with any challenge r”l as serious as the likes of neither the current one nor probably the one you describe as having experienced, I too have recently thought about the point you make. Without AT ALL taking away from overwhelmingly positive reaction and tremendous outpouring of good deeds we have seen in the past week (the responses alone continue to be truly inspiring), it does seem that this tragedy is perhaps receiving disproportional and greater attention/support than others have or do receive. That notwithstanding, I have a theory as to why this may be so and additionally it seems there may be a positive result from all this attention that will come to address your precise issue.
While I do NOT ch”vsh contemplate comparing/contrasting calamities r”l, I believe that in addition to some of the points made above there are some unique factors of this recent tragedy (hal’vai it should be the last) to which so much of the attention is owed. In my opinion, it is the combination of these aspects that makes this different than anything else we have ever seen before, at least in recent times.
First, as was already mentioned above, the focus of the tragedy was a child. While a tragedy that involves any person or persons is a tragedy, there is something about one that effects an innocent child that seems to pull harder at our heartstrings. While most victims are innocent by definition, the innocence of a child seems to supersede all innocence. Perhaps this is because a child is arguably the embodiment and epitome of innocence itself. Whatever the exact reason, it seems that this thinking/feeling leads to the following equation: the “more” the innocent is, the more sympathy people feel and show. (L’havdil, I believe this particular factor, to a large extent, explains the nationwide and even worldwide attention to — and even obsession with — the recent Casey Anthony case.)
Second, the sheer brutality involved in the event made it simply impossible for anyone to ignore. I think it is neither necessary nor appropriate to elaborate on this point.
Finally, and perhaps both the worst aspect of this tragedy and the greatest reason that this tragedy hit home as deeply as it has for so many, is the fact that it came from “within”, i.e., the perpetrator being a so-called Orthodox Jew. Not only did this contribute to the “shock factor” (a point referenced earlier as well) of the whole event, but I believe it is sending the message to so many of us to stop and look ourselves in the mirror; and as we do, we are reacting in large numbers, too.
Of course, the above is just one personal theory and opinion and, even if true, does not justify the lack of or less attention/reaction given to other tragic events, r”l. However, I will conclude by adding that it seems the fund being set up currently in response to this recent tragedy is being designed to address other tragic and needy situations (may there be no more of them), and so, perhaps specifically the concern of unbalanced attention for different calamities will be duly addressed and “reconciled”, as it were, through all of the extraordinary efforts being displayed during this unusually trying, though also uplifting, time.July 21, 2011 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #788360
YR, thank you for such a great post. I of course agree that this kind of tragedy makes people open their hearts more than other kinds, and I understand why. I really was just wondering aloud how my siblings and I would have turned out had we had the amount of support from the community after our tragedy. But the truth is, we all turned out fine, anyway. (When I say fine, I mean no one suffered so severely that it still greatly affects them now, many years later.) I appreciate the time you must have put into writing this post.July 22, 2011 5:18 am at 5:18 am #788361
Sorry about Middlepath and his/her story. What is important in this story is the Achdus, unity to which alot of credit must be give to Rav Eisenberger,who is a Rav par excellence. Sorry, but halvei all kehillos would have a Rav as him. Rav Eisenberger is available for his kehilla 24/7 and is involved in every aspect one can think of and not as in this tragedy. And this holy neshama that was so plucked away from us was also such a giving person. An aquaintance of mine lives in the same building. Her mother’s nurses commented that when they got to the building in the morning or evening, if Leiby Z”L was outside, he would run to open the door for them. One of these nurses was in tears and crying ,”oh no, it can’t be my little boy”. Let us do and think only good in his memory. FARGIN!
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