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  • January 11, 2011 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #594120
    lkwdfellow
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    Do you wear one?

    January 11, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #726719
    apushatayid
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    I wear my belt all day.

    January 11, 2011 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #726720
    Sacrilege
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    No 🙂

    January 11, 2011 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #726721
    lkwdfellow
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    Sacrilege – bourbon trivia… which bourbon wears a gartel?

    Hint – intials are BH.

    January 11, 2011 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #726722
    popa_bar_abba
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    Why do people wear a gartel over their jacket? Is it not good enough if you wear it over your pants?

    January 11, 2011 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #726723
    Sacrilege
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    Basil Hayden

    (Didnt need the hint)

    January 11, 2011 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #726724
    Sacrilege
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    lkwdfellow

    What other alcoholic drink wears a gartel?

    January 11, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #726725
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Popa,

    Do you mean through the loops (i.e like apushatayid)?

    January 11, 2011 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #726726
    lkwdfellow
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    popa_bar_abba – there’s also an inyan of hachanah for Tefila. Additionally, if you wear a regular belt & a gartel on top of it (under your jacket) – it may be a shailah of hotzaha on Shabbos, as you are only allowed one belt on top of each garment, not 2. (Chagurah al gabai chagura)

    January 11, 2011 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #726727
    World Saver
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    No. Gartel = waist material! 🙂

    January 11, 2011 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #726728
    popa_bar_abba
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    Again, I am not asking why there is a minhag to tie a black cord around one’s waist before davening.

    I am asking why that black cord is specifically tied over the jacket (where it looks absurd), instead of under the jacket.

    Does anybody know?

    January 11, 2011 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #726729
    Derech HaMelech
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    Are we talking about a neck gartel or a waist gartel?

    January 11, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #726730
    Sacrilege
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    popa

    I have no idea, but am going to take a guess…

    Probably, so it can be SEEN (clearly differentiating). I highly doubt its a fashion statement.

    January 11, 2011 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #726731
    memo
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    what’s the significance of it?

    January 11, 2011 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #726732
    HolyMoe
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    Sacrilege

    Frangelico

    January 11, 2011 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #726733
    whocares
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    what’s about the rope that people tie around their necks, (it is supposed to be stylish)? maybe it is presuicide idea

    January 11, 2011 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #726738
    bpt
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    yes. (and a tie on shabbos too)

    January 12, 2011 12:12 am at 12:12 am #726740
    lkwdfellow
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    Sacrilege – Frangelico – although that has a very low alchohol content, not sure if it counts….

    popa_bar_abba – I wrote – if you wear a regular belt & a gartel on top of it (under your jacket) – it may be a shailah of hotzaha on Shabbos, as you are only allowed one belt on top of each garment, not 2. (Chagurah al gabai chagura)

    Most people wear a regular belt on their pants & putting a gartel on top of that – under their jacket, might create a Shabbos problem.

    I’m also not sure why it looks absurd. Why is it more absurd than a necktie???

    January 12, 2011 12:21 am at 12:21 am #726741
    popa_bar_abba
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    The shabbos reason could possibly be why.

    I think it looks odd since it scrunches up your jacket.

    January 12, 2011 12:25 am at 12:25 am #726742
    cherrybim
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    Wearing a gartel on top of your jacket or under the jacket; with a belt or without a belt; or no gartel at all, is no problem whatsoever of hotza’ah on Shabbos.

    January 12, 2011 12:25 am at 12:25 am #726743
    lkwdfellow
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    popa_bar_abba – I don’t remember exactly where, but I think that Rav Moshe ZT”L in the Igros speaks about wearing a gartel under one’s jacket on Shabbos.

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