July 21, 2020 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1885218
I was wondering… is a Gavrah also a Cheftza or not?July 21, 2020 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1885265
For example, the service of the Leviim.July 21, 2020 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1885288
n0mesorah, how is a gavra a cheftza by the leviim’s service? Maybe the parents are a cheftza (object) of the mitzva of kibud av voaim.July 21, 2020 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1885279Rabbi Dr. Zundel Stevie AndersonParticipant
When i was learning by my holy teacher Rabbi Dr. Andrew Sinowitz he told me over from i believe Aristotle or Plato that E pluribus Unum means that out of the collective it is one and we can deduce from there that only in the collective is the man considered an object, which is the cheftza of achdut. May he rest in peace. truly an Honorable man.July 21, 2020 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1885315hu bachaParticipant
why are you bringing proofs from aristotle and plato, they were Sonei yisroel, how how about bringing a proof from Reb chaim brisker, he talks about what a gavra and chetza is, in hilchos korban pesach, regarding a kid who became bar mitsva after pesach etc. look over there and understand what hes saying then all your questions will be answered. first understand what is a chiyuv of a gavram and a chiyuv of a cheftsa, and then you have to figure out, how can a cheftza have a chiuv, only a gavra can have a chiyuv? i belive this is what Reb Chaim is trying to answer in that shtickel. let me know what you think.July 21, 2020 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1885257
Maybe a cheftza shel mitzva like Yaakov Avinu said to Lavan, bring me my wife to have relations with her.July 22, 2020 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1885523
Dear Reb Eliezer,
My parents are not my esrog. I am not to treat them in some ritualistic manner, like a symbolic object. The wishes and the honor of my parents is the cheftza. The same with Yaakov and Rachel.
But the Leviim are part of the ritualistic act that is incumbent on all the Yidden to ensure it’s continuity. Just like the Beis Hamikdash is a cheftza, so too are the Leviim on their watch or platform. They could be defined as the cheftzah of being present within the required context.July 22, 2020 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1885525
The Rabbi Doctor Zundel Stevie Anderson! Unbelievable!July 22, 2020 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1885617
clearly no mesora.July 22, 2020 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1885613
what are you talking about?
what is the connection?July 22, 2020 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1885652
What is your question?July 22, 2020 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1885667
To no Mesorah.
My question is as follows, is a person who is Mugdar a Gavrah also considered a Cheftza Mitzad the Cheftza of his body?July 22, 2020 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1885760
By Yaakov Avinu Bereshis 29,21 I am trying to answer Rashi’s kashye to have children.July 23, 2020 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1886240
Are you saying that the 2 dinim דרך הלימוד of Reb Chaim Brisker refer to the din on the gavra and the din on the cheftza?
And are you also saying that without Brisker Torah you can not have 2 dinim and also you could not define Gavra and Cheftza?
I will try to conceptualize this dichotomy for you depending on your havanah.July 24, 2020 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1886305
Neither of thee above is true.
The Briskers never made up Gavrah and Cheftza. look through out shas and rambam and youll find it.
And also tzvei dinim, it is practically in every 5th tosfos in shas. (4 those who know how learn a tosfos)July 24, 2020 10:03 am at 10:03 am #1886321
Thanks for your הבנה and by corollary the minimizing of the Brisker derech. Would it be safe to say that you dispute the statement that רב חיים האט אופגעבראכען ש”ס. ? BEJuly 24, 2020 11:19 am at 11:19 am #1886340
What are you getting at?!!July 24, 2020 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1886347
BE, Rav Chaim says that the cheftza of Torah requires a brocho as birchas Hatorah even women.July 25, 2020 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1886520
Dear Ben Ephraim.
I chas veshalom would not minimize the contribution of the briskers.
R’ Chaim said that R’ Akiva Eiger had 12 mehalchim in every sugya, and one of them were Gavra Cheftza, and thus we see that R’ Chaim never nade up Tzvei Dinim, rather R’ Chaim’s Chidush was, that he systemized these mehalchim into each and every sugya…
Now, If a person man or woman toivels in a mikvah, is he a chftza or is he still a gavrah??August 4, 2020 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1889594
Let me suggest this for you. The din is that on something that is assur you don’t bentch. Now if you have chazir as the issur, is it the same as something that is stolen and is assur? see what I am trying to say ?August 4, 2020 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1889608
Kidnapping someone would be the gavra the cheftza. This could be why it is indicated in lo signov, no nignav, singular, whereas stealing something from someone involves two individuals, the ganev and the nignav, so it says lo signovu, plural.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.