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At times the depraved Muslim preachers speak the truth about the Israeli/Arab wars that the “anti-Zionist” propagandists desperately try to suppress:
The Muslims are waging a “religious” war to destroy Judaism, this is not a war about “Zionism”.
https://www.memri.org/tv/gaza-imam-hamas-abu-ayada-religious-war-islam-jews-martyrdom
That is probably true but the anti Zionists would probably say thats only because of Zionism
If the Zionists didn’t conquer Israel and didn’t try to present themselves as Jews they wouldn’t be killing Jews
rightjew is not right re the ‘goals of islam’
the facts say otherwise
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.Islam goes wherever you want it to go, like many religions. I would say this is a human ambition but charged with religious zeal.
There is no question that the Arab hatred of Jews – believing the Zionist Big Lie that Zionism represents Judaism – has increased dramatically since the Zionists invaded the holy land over a century ago. Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik himself admitted as much in writing, not that you need his word for it given the plain facts on the ground, including the Chevron Massacre (and Holocaust) which was caused by that same “curse” – as Rav Gifter put it – of Zionism.
No, that obviously doesn’t excuse the savage murderers who committed those atrocities against Jews. But, by way of illustration, only a fool would start up with a rabid dog; only the evil Zionists would intentionally inflame the entire world and especially the Middle East just to get their shmad “State” so that the Zionists could become “normal” because they were not accepted as gentiles by the gentiles and, on top of that, lobby governments against allowing in Jews to their countries from Europe during WW II.
On another level, Islamic “nationalism” in then-Palestine also would not have happened if not for Zionism, as they used to call themselves “Syrians”. So, even if their goal is indeed world domination, which is possible, they would have had to fight world christendom to do that, not endless wars with Zionists that have cost rivers of Jewish blood for no good reason at all.
RightJew is generally correct albeit with a bit more nuance.
Can a moderator please ban Hakatan alrady???
HaKatan said:
“…Islamic “nationalism” in then-Palestine also would not have happened if not for Zionism…“
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MY RESPONSE (from the WikiPedia article about “Arab Nationalism”):“Rooted in the 19th-century Nahda under Ottoman rule,
Arab nationalism emerged in the early 20th century as
an opposition movement in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire,
later evolving into the overwhelmingly dominant ideological force
in the Arab world.[4] Initially focused on resisting Ottoman control,
it later opposed Western imperialism after World War I due to
the undesirable outcome of the Arab Revolt — in successfully achieving
their primary goal of dissolving the Ottoman Empire, “__________________________________________
That article does mention that the creation of The State of Israel
increased the cause of Arab Nationalism, but Israel WAS NOT
the initial cause of the Arab Nationalism movement.Therefore, the Arab Nationalism movement would have existed
even without The State of Israel,
contrary to what HaKatan has incorrectly stated.
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Fanatical Jew-haters blame Jews for EVERY PROBLEM.HaKatan and UJM blame Jewish Zionists for EVERY PROBLEM.
Do you notice the similarity?
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Why not instead address the points made?Can a moderator please ban HaKatan already???
I hear they pay quite well … good idea … am going to apply …
now seriously
one imam does not represent islam … there are plenty of others who would disagree
its silly to make such a sweeping decision
islam has not been preaching this for the last 1400 years
thats also silly
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.@RightJew:
This has nothing to do with Qatar or anything else. It’s really disgusting to falsely accuse fellow Jews out of nowhere, when it is actually Zionism that is diametrically opposed to Judaism.All the gedolim have stated for over a century that Zionism is an extreme danger to the Jewish people and is idolatry and heresy, as is plain to anyone who is willing to open their eyes.
HaKatan, your false claims have been refuted and exposed
as false more than 200 times over the past two years.Yet you never correct your numerous false statements.
Instead, you just repeat the same lies endlessly,
like a brainwashed mindless moron who gets paid by Qatar.Over the past two years, the only thing that HaKatan and UJM
have proven is the they stubbornly refuse to listen to facts and logic.SQUARE_ROOT:
They are true, of course, despite your idolatry causing you to prefer otherwise.
Instead, you just repeat the same false accusations endlessly.This has nothing to do with Qatar or anything else. It’s really disgusting to falsely accuse fellow Jews out of nowhere, when it is actually Zionism that is diametrically opposed to Judaism.
All the gedolim have stated for over a century that Zionism is an extreme danger to the Jewish people and is idolatry and heresy, as is plain to anyone who is willing to open their eyes.
there were golden ages for jews in spain and the ottomans in turkey, both muslim
so , no they are NOT preaching this for 1400 years ….
please don’t ignore the facts
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.On Sunday, 2024 January 14, around 60 Neturei Karta members
protested AGAINST the freeing of Jewish hostages in Gaza,
who were taken hostage by Hamas terrorists.This anti-Torah protest happened outside the Monsey Municipal Building.
SOURCE: Monsey Scoop and article titled: “REVOLTING: Neturei Karta
Protests After Ramapo Town Supervisor Calls For Hostages’ Release”
2024 January 15, www (dot) TheYeshivaWorld (dot) com__________________________________________
When Rabbi Shteinmann ZTL ZYA came to Monsey,
the Neturei Karta spit on his face.When will we Jews get SERIOUS about stopping this very dangerous evil?
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According to an article by Yerachmiel HaLevi on 2023 November 10
on Quora dot com, the Neturei Karta “RAISE MONEY”
for Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran.When will we get SERIOUS about stopping the Neturei Karta?
Several weeks ago, UJM told us that he wants to dismantle
The State of Israel and give the land to the USA.But if you listen to The Neturei Karta,
they want to give the land to the so-called “Palestinians”.You know— the Phoney-stinians — the people who killed Jewish athletes
at the Munich Olympic games, and hijacked many airplanes,
and started a civil war in Jordan, and destroyed Lebanon,
and want to KILL ALL [100%] JEWS.This Neturei Karta “plan” would cause ANOTHER HOLOCAUST,
with 8,000,000 Jews in Eretz Yisrael being mercilessly massacred,
including millions of Jewish children and babies.Even if UJM was being honest when he said that,
his statement is still somewhat misleading because
it is a minority opinion among radical anti-Zionists.There is also a Halachic prohibition against giving non-Jews ownership of Eretz Yisrael.
Most American politicians — even Donald Trump, who is very pro Jewish —
would strongly oppose using American soldiers to protect Eretz Yisrael’s Jews
from relentless never-ending attacks from Muslim terrorists.
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