Gemany & Amaleik

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  • #1584326
    Haimy
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    “In 1898 the German emperor Wilhelm II (1859-1941) and his wife Augusta Viktoria made a triumphal entry into Jerusalem as multitudes gathered at Jaffa Gate to welcome the Prussian King and German monarch.”

    The entire yishuv went out to greet him except one person: Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld. He said he has a kabbalah from Rav Yehoshua Leb Diskin the the Germans emanate from Amaleik how can he come out & give kovod to an Amaleiki? Within 40 years the German people would decimate European Jewry.

    #1584595
    slominer
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    The reason why Hitler ym’s never took his boots off in front of anyone is because he didn’t have human feet.

    #1584632
    ZionGate
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    slominer,
    We all heard that before, and it sounds like wishful thinking.
    Unfortunately, he was all too human.
    That’s what makes him and all evil people so scary.
    They’re among us.

    #1584673
    akuperma
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    1. Some Germans were evil and some were not and bravely opposed the Nazis.
    2. Blaming the Holocaust on the Germans says, in effect, that the rest of the goyim were blameless.
    3. As shown by the places where the Germans were thwarted in killing Jews, they required the help of the locals.
    4. We now know the Allies were fully aware of the Holocaust at all times and in total detail.
    5. Some goyim were evil and some were not. One shouldn’t generalize about ethnic groups.

    #1584685
    Haimy
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    The majority of Germans wholeheartedly supported their furer. Today, as the US is cutting aid for the Palestinians, Germany announced they will be increasing aid significantly. The repressed Sinas Yisroel since the holocaust is slowly reemerging.

    #1584691
    147
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    Based on the Nevu’oh of the Emeritus British Chief Rabbi, as reported on YWN earlier today, it seems that Corbyn is going to be the next evil Amolek to seize this infamous designation. Of-course tonite exactly 17 years ago, Bin Laden Yemach Shemo vZichrono seized this horrendous distinction @World Trade Center A’H.

    #1584708
    Avi K
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    Rav Chaim Soloveichik said that Amalek is anyone who wants to destroy us for no reason. It would seem that conversely if he would change his mind he would no longer be Amalek (in fact, after WW2 the Americans and British undertook a massive re-education program in Germany). There is, in fact, a discussion as to whether or not he can convert.

    I agree that Corbyn is an antisemite but I don’t know if he actually wants to destroy us. Getting back to the Germans, they have a very serious dilemma. Their birth rate is only 1.5 per woman whereas their life expectancy is a bit over 81. Someone is going to have do the work and pay for the old-age programs. That means that they will have to attract immigrants. On the other hand, they have big problems with absorbing immigrants. This is also a source a violent antisemitism, which is a great embarrassment to them.

    #1584721
    anonymous Jew
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    does the kabbala explain how Amalek got from the sinai peninsula to northern europe? That’s where the germanic tribes literally descended from.

    #1584726
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    does the kabbala explain how Amalek got from the sinai peninsula to northern europe?

    It doesn’t need to.

    #1584735
    akuperma
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    The Germanic tribes (more a linguistic group, than a “blood type”, includes such diverse groups as the Danes, Icelandics, English and Franks – and probably a good many others that assimilated into other populations.

    BTW, do we have a tradition of “good” Amalekites working to undermine the bad “Amalekites”? If not, the hpothesis that the Amelekites are the Germanic tribes, fails.

    #1585242
    anonymous Jew
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    akuperma, i agree. The Angles and Saxons ( Anglo-Saxon) were Germanic tribes that invaded Britain.

    Daas Yachid, to believe such a claim with such certanty, i would need some minimal believability. With all due respect to Rav Donnenfeld, I am not obligated to put any stock in this kabbala

    #1585373
    Haimy
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    Rav Yehoshua Leib Diskin was the gadol hador of his time. Be careful before casting doubt on his opinion (even if you are modern orthodox). The seed of Amaleikites may have gotten mixed into the German population. He did not say that every German in an Amaleiki.

    #1586038
    Avi K
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    Haimy, obviously not as some Germans saved Jews. One of them was Goering’s brother! In fact, I knew a German-American guy who went ballistic every time he heard about antisemitism. He explained to me that relatives of his were murdered because they hid Jews on their farm.

    #1587249
    WolfishMusings
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    The seed of Amaleikites may have gotten mixed into the German population.

    By the same logic, they could have gotten mixed in with every nation, making the connection between Germany and Amalek meaningless.

    The Wolf

    #1587246
    Amil Zola
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    Point of information :Please read ‘There once was a world’ by Yaffa Eliach. She documents some very impressive instances where Germans were killed by Nazis for harboring Jews.

    I learned of this book while reading The Coffee Room with my husband and immediately ordered. I don’t recall who mentioned it but thanks, this book is a treasure of history.

    #1587294
    Joseph
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    I believe that Yaffa Eliach was the principal of Yeshiva of Flatbush about 65 years ago. Or maybe I’m mixing her up with her husband.

    #1587311
    Haimy
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    Once again I’m hearing a derision of the opinion of Rav Yehoshuah Leib based on scant historica data. This smells of a modern orthodox approach to the opinions of gedolei hador. You’re posing legitimate questions but unfortunately the Gaon hador of his time is not with us to ask. I choose to accept his opinion.

    #1587325
    WolfishMusings
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    Once again I’m hearing a derision of the opinion of Rav Yehoshuah Leib based on scant historica data. This smells of a modern orthodox approach to the opinions of gedolei hador. You’re posing legitimate questions

    Well, if it’s a legitimate question and asked in a non-derisive manner, then how is it a derision? Or is raising an objection altogether forbidden?

    Also, you don’t have to be coy. If you have a problem with something I’m saying, feel free to call me out by name. Trust me, nothing you say will hurt me — I’m already a rasha.

    (Oh, and for the record, I don’t identify as Modern Orthodox).

    The Wolf

    #1587327
    Avi K
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    AZ, also The Last Jews of Berlin by Leonard Gross .

    Joseph, once again you are over on hotzaat shem ra and sinat chinam. You must obtain forgiveness from every MO in the next two weeks.

    #1587333
    Joseph
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    Avi, I have no idea what you’re talking about or referring to or what set you off. Where have I said or referred to or critiqued MO, or anything close to it, in this thread?

    #1587336
    Joseph
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    I just looked it up. Eliach’s husband David was the principal of Yeshiva of Flatbush high school in the 40s/50s.

    #1587339
    WolfishMusings
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    Joseph, once again you are over on hotzaat shem ra and sinat chinam. You must obtain forgiveness from every MO in the next two weeks.

    I believe that was Haimy, not Joseph.

    The Wolf

    #1587341
    Amil Zola
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    TY Avi, I’ll put that in my tomorrow file. My book budget is already exhausted for this month. I mentioned Eliach’s book without checking her voluminous bibliography, I’m sure she has some credible sources listed.

    #1587344
    Avi K
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    Joseph, I apologize. I was addressing Haimy.

    #1587672
    Athos
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    what is the question?
    There is no evidence that Germany is Amalek, and all the evidence that exists from Tanach and midrashei chazal suggest the exact opposite. Amalek had that kind of destructive power, that kind of power is found only in those nations who serve as the basis of our exiles, like Rome and Bavel, or Mitzrayim. Everywhere Amalek is mentioned they only do collateral damage, damage to the fringe groups, or serve as a possible, but never actual, serious threat and danger. It is much more likely that groups like Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, etc are Amalek.

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