October 11, 2015 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #616433flatbusherParticipant
Many times throughout Shas the opinions of tannaim are switched around so that the conclusion of the gemara is consistent, but I have yet to get a straight answer of why this happens at all. Is it because through oral transmission someone got mixed up? Similarly, when girsiyos are often corrected, was there an error in the oral transmission, or is it something else?October 11, 2015 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #1105666☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I think it’s relatively not that often (certain mesechtos are worse regarding girsaos) and yes, we assume there was a flaw in the transmission.October 12, 2015 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1105667ED IT ORParticipant
its torah she baal peh,October 13, 2015 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1105668flatbusherParticipant
If that’s the case, then why wasn’t it corrected once it was realized that there were errors in the transmission, rather than to continue promulgating the errors? It just strikes me as strange to just change things if you don’t like the way it comes out otherwise.October 15, 2015 5:02 am at 5:02 am #1105669the plumberMember
And you would be right if i went ahead and started changing the gemora. But were talking about great people who heard shiur and though, based on his knowledge of his rebbes style, thought it was one way and was then proved wrong. It happens on a much lower level every day in our yeshivosOctober 15, 2015 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #1105670☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
then why wasn’t it corrected once it was realized that there were errors in the transmission
When the gemara says to switch the names, the gemara is essentially correcting it, but we get to see the process by which it happened, which is also part of Torah.October 15, 2015 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1105671akupermaParticipant
1. Oral traditions, and written sources derived from oral traditions, are like that. It’s the nature of that genre.
2. You do realize that most of thde “debates” in the Talmud never took place (the “give away” is that the people debating lived in different centuries, and sometimes in different regions). When the Talmud was compiled, the editors derived a coherent structure for us to work with, continuing a process that had been ongoing for generations.October 15, 2015 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1105672pcozMember
The Rogatchover says chazal can agree or differ with people who lived later because they knew that you could say that sevara.October 20, 2015 12:04 am at 12:04 am #1105673☢️ 🚭 ☣️ Rand0m3x 🧠🕴️🎲Participant
That’s not the way I’d put it, Akuperma. The Gemara isn’t
saying that it happened as an in-person debate,
it’s recording a difference of opinion.
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