November 29, 2019 10:39 am at 10:39 am #1805840zahavasdadParticipant
What do you think of “Get of out town fairs” , a faire where representatives from various communities enourage people to leave NYC for their communities. usually using high NYC rents as a reason to leaveNovember 29, 2019 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #1805865funnyboneParticipant
I think it’s a great idea for people looking to move.November 29, 2019 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #1805864UncleMoParticipant
Having moved out of town a few years ago, for reasons other Ryman financial, and having a hard time with the adjustment- I would caution anyone considering a move OOT to seriously look into it from all angles. I would especially urge those looking to move, primarily or entirely due to financial reasons, they they don’t just jump to a quick decision. It’s not as rosy oor of town as you may think. Lots of pros, that’s true but the cons are there too, and I’m not so certain that people have it that much easier financially out of town. True; housing is alot cheaper. FYI……. incomes are too. And you can get hit hats on tuition as well out of town.
If possible; try to go there for more than just a Shabbos. Maybe get a short term rental and go there for shabbos for a few months etc. Hang around during the week, if possible, as well.November 29, 2019 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1805861GadolhadorahParticipant
Its a free country and efforts by OOT mosdos to attracted educated/affluent yidden are no different then efforts by local economic development agencies to attract Amazon and other high tech companies. If you are a small but growing OOT frum community somewhere in yenavelt (from a NY perspective) its important to actively promote your new community, highlight the quality of life and cost-of-living benefits along with the new yiddeshe amenities (aka yeshiva, BY, mikvah and kosher markets). There is a new generation of younger couples who want to start a family without the noise, pollution, crime and other realities of life in the fast lane and also be able to afford a home and tuition that OOT communities sometimes offer.November 29, 2019 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1805858
It usually indicates a level of desperation for frum people to move there.
The reality is that the NY metro area not only has the largest concentration of Yidden in America, North America and the world, it actually has more frum Yidden (between NYC, Monsey, Lakewood and their surrounding areas) than ALL the rest of the United States and Canada combined.November 29, 2019 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1805850☕️coffee addictParticipant
If someone wants to leave why shouldn’t they?November 29, 2019 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1805851akupermaParticipant
There are many other reasons to leave New York City, such as a government that increasingly believes that frumkeit is a backwards and extrememly political incorrect indeology that needs to be surpressed. Even if New York City was affordable, there would be good reasons to relocate to “red” states. While a century ago there was a problem with Christian anti-semitism, today the problem of anti-semitism is a function of the left-wing “woke” politically correct crowd.November 29, 2019 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1805879
Yeah Joseph, we know. We read about them in the headlines here all the time.November 30, 2019 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1805901
Syag: Free free to move to the city that never sleeps with Torah and Chesed 24/7. No need to be jealous.November 30, 2019 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1805992
You may want to re read my post. Reality burns joseph, but denial is an illness.November 30, 2019 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #1806005
Yes, we’ve read many headlines about the crime problem in Chicago. NYC is a much safer city both in general and in regards to antisemitism that involves violent assaults according to FBI statistics for each of the last 19 years.November 30, 2019 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #1805996RebbeDebbieParticipant
Some OOT areas might not be too nice, but others are VERY attractive.
If you move to Cincinnati, the state gives you a $4700 private school tuition vouch every year per child (per the OU’s website). There’s also an eurv that encompasses a nice (yet affordable) neighborhood, some kosher dining establishments, etc. Sure it’s not NYC, but at least you can live a more comfortable life and not deal with so many liberals.November 30, 2019 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1805999Ms. Chanandler BongParticipant
It’s great. I attended the Fair this past Sunday, and can’t wait to check out some of these communities for Shabbos.November 30, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1806028
Talk about missing the boat!November 30, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1806027👑RebYidd23Participant
OOT isn’t one place, so there is no universal pros and cons list for moving there.November 30, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1806030👑RebYidd23Participant
NYC is very nice. That’s why it’s already full and there isn’t any room for more people.December 1, 2019 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1806053southernerParticipant
We are a rare frum family in South Carolina. Heed these words if you are considering leaving a major Jewish “hub.”- consider only vibrant communities that offer the full spectrum of yeshiva education, a kollel, at least 1-2 restaurants, and a Jewish retirement home. Assimilation and intermarriage here is basically 100%. Don’t bother. We are planning an exit.December 1, 2019 6:48 am at 6:48 am #1806060GadolhadorahParticipant
Southerner makes an excellent point. Absent an existing and thriving Jewish community, there is considerable risk for a young family with children to move to an OOT location with a “field of dreams” mindset (aka “if enough of us make the move, others will follow”). . Also, make sure the community is a growing community with a solid economic base. Unless you and your wife are self-employed or are in a profession where you can work from anywhere, there is a big risk in finding that the one or two employers who will provide your parnassah are cutting back or relocating leaving you with few options. Its a big decision that can be very rewarding in the right OOT location.
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