April 18, 2011 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #596397
Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder. Is there some mekor for this, or is it just stam the natural consequence of drinking four cups. Also, how alchoholic should the seder wine be.April 18, 2011 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #760389always hereParticipant
we have Bartenura blue bottle, some dry red wine my DH likes (since I don’t, I don’t even know what kind it is), Kal, & muss.April 18, 2011 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #760390popa_bar_abbaParticipant
It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.April 18, 2011 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #760391
you sound like you’re doing a good job already lolApril 18, 2011 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #760392rasha gamurMember
Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?April 18, 2011 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #760394
its a chaval that people have such a perspective of orthodox jews.April 18, 2011 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #760395popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?
It is just you. You should stop drinking so much.
Drinking is not good for you liver, marriage, job, and car.April 18, 2011 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #760396
Rasha: correct me if i’m wrong but it sounds as if you are implying that there is something wrong with making every religious custom into an excuse to get drunk. If that is indeed what you meant, would you care to explain why it is wrong?April 18, 2011 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #760397
Klach: I don’t think Rasha Gamur was trying to bash orthodox Jews. I think he was merely trying to ascertain what the metzius is.April 18, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #760398
“It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.”
I guess that’s also the source of the inyan to rush through the seder.April 18, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #760399HaLeiViParticipant
They go together. You cannot get drunk from four cups of wine, unless you rush through the Seder.April 18, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #760400aries2756Participant
NO there is NO minhag or mitzvah to get drunk at the seder and you can buy wine that is “kal” and has less alcohol. You can even mix wine with grape juice or use grape juice if you have to.April 18, 2011 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #760401
According to HaLeiVi’s logic it comes out that we’re not trying to mimick the confusion, rather we are mimicking the rushing and mimayla the confusion is also mimicked.April 18, 2011 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #760402Bar ShattyaMember
The source of the mitzva to rush through the seder is the nishama which wants to do things it gains from because it understands how it affects a persons middos. If it doesn’t understand it it becomes a mitzva just to do it. So the person just does it. Externally looking frum is stupid. If you think it should be done differently it must be understood to the point of articulation of how it afects your middos. Sorry, but “the frum people do it that way” just doesn’t cut it.April 18, 2011 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #760403
would you care to explain what you meant in a consice form so that even the non-intellectuals such as myself can understand your point?April 20, 2011 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #760404yeshivaguy1Participant
learn how to handle your alcohol. If you can’t, drink low percent or grape juice.April 21, 2011 2:07 am at 2:07 am #760405WolfishMusingsParticipant
Even though I use wine for all four cups, I use a low-alcohol wine, so I don’t get drunk.
But then again, since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that.
The WolfApril 21, 2011 2:13 am at 2:13 am #760406cherrybimParticipant
The shuchan aruch says that you should use the best wines for the seder, which is usually 13.5% and up. I have never gotten drunk at a seder using these wines and no one else needs to either.April 21, 2011 2:56 am at 2:56 am #760407am yisrael chaiParticipant
“since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that”
Wolfish, why so self-deprecating? Or are u a henpecked spouse? I’m sure u could find at least ONE thing u’ve done correctly (your spelling, e.g.)
Moadim l’simchaApril 21, 2011 5:40 am at 5:40 am #760408HealthParticipant
“Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder.”
You seem to be “Dan them L’caf Zecus”, the ones I know who get drunk is because they want to. Some frum people look for any excuse to “Shikur Zich On”!April 21, 2011 5:47 am at 5:47 am #760409walton157Member
There are wines that have very low alcohol levels. People will find any excuse to get drunk. Hopefully, they don’t drive. Yes, I know it’s Yom Tov, but not everyone is observant. Please, no comments or preaching about this. Not everyone is observant.April 21, 2011 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #760411Pashuteh YidMember
Walton, that reminds me of something I read. Non-Jews celebrate their holidays. Jews observe them. We observe Passover, we observe Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. We never say we are celebrating anything.April 21, 2011 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #760412metrodriverMember
I must agree with Health; If someone chooses L’Chatchila to get drunk (while they’re conscious), there is no way that anyone can be dan L’Kaf Zchus. If one can’t handle their alcohol, they should avoid getting drunk. This past Yom Tov, after being guests at the Seder, my wife and I walked home (about Fifteen blocks.). On the way we could hear how those people who got drunk sounded. You could really tell who sang Hallel and who slurred their words. They (the drunks) couldn’t control their tune either. They went up and down in the same breath.April 3, 2023 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #2179719PoshetParticipant
The wine SHOULD make one Tiddly בגילופין מבוסם
Should put one in a good, thankful and (high) appreciative mood.
Should add to a total memorable and amazing experience.
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