Getting Drunk at the Seder

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    klach
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    Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder. Is there some mekor for this, or is it just stam the natural consequence of drinking four cups. Also, how alchoholic should the seder wine be.

    #760389
    always here
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    we have Bartenura blue bottle, some dry red wine my DH likes (since I don’t, I don’t even know what kind it is), Kal, & muss.

    #760390
    popa_bar_abba
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    It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.

    #760391
    klach
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    you sound like you’re doing a good job already lol

    #760392
    rasha gamur
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    Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?

    #760394
    klach
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    its a chaval that people have such a perspective of orthodox jews.

    #760395
    popa_bar_abba
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    Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?

    It is just you. You should stop drinking so much.

    Drinking is not good for you liver, marriage, job, and car.

    #760396
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Rasha: correct me if i’m wrong but it sounds as if you are implying that there is something wrong with making every religious custom into an excuse to get drunk. If that is indeed what you meant, would you care to explain why it is wrong?

    #760397
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Klach: I don’t think Rasha Gamur was trying to bash orthodox Jews. I think he was merely trying to ascertain what the metzius is.

    #760398
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.”

    I guess that’s also the source of the inyan to rush through the seder.

    #760399
    HaLeiVi
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    They go together. You cannot get drunk from four cups of wine, unless you rush through the Seder.

    #760400
    aries2756
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    NO there is NO minhag or mitzvah to get drunk at the seder and you can buy wine that is “kal” and has less alcohol. You can even mix wine with grape juice or use grape juice if you have to.

    #760401
    Patur Aval Assur
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    According to HaLeiVi’s logic it comes out that we’re not trying to mimick the confusion, rather we are mimicking the rushing and mimayla the confusion is also mimicked.

    #760402
    Bar Shattya
    Member

    The source of the mitzva to rush through the seder is the nishama which wants to do things it gains from because it understands how it affects a persons middos. If it doesn’t understand it it becomes a mitzva just to do it. So the person just does it. Externally looking frum is stupid. If you think it should be done differently it must be understood to the point of articulation of how it afects your middos. Sorry, but “the frum people do it that way” just doesn’t cut it.

    #760403
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Bar Shattya

    would you care to explain what you meant in a consice form so that even the non-intellectuals such as myself can understand your point?

    #760404
    yeshivaguy1
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    learn how to handle your alcohol. If you can’t, drink low percent or grape juice.

    #760405
    WolfishMusings
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    Even though I use wine for all four cups, I use a low-alcohol wine, so I don’t get drunk.

    But then again, since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that.

    The Wolf

    #760406
    cherrybim
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    The shuchan aruch says that you should use the best wines for the seder, which is usually 13.5% and up. I have never gotten drunk at a seder using these wines and no one else needs to either.

    #760407
    am yisrael chai
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    “since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that”

    Wolfish, why so self-deprecating? Or are u a henpecked spouse? I’m sure u could find at least ONE thing u’ve done correctly (your spelling, e.g.)

    Moadim l’simcha

    #760408
    Health
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    “Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder.”

    You seem to be “Dan them L’caf Zecus”, the ones I know who get drunk is because they want to. Some frum people look for any excuse to “Shikur Zich On”!

    #760409
    walton157
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    There are wines that have very low alcohol levels. People will find any excuse to get drunk. Hopefully, they don’t drive. Yes, I know it’s Yom Tov, but not everyone is observant. Please, no comments or preaching about this. Not everyone is observant.

    #760411
    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Walton, that reminds me of something I read. Non-Jews celebrate their holidays. Jews observe them. We observe Passover, we observe Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. We never say we are celebrating anything.

    #760412
    metrodriver
    Member

    I must agree with Health; If someone chooses L’Chatchila to get drunk (while they’re conscious), there is no way that anyone can be dan L’Kaf Zchus. If one can’t handle their alcohol, they should avoid getting drunk. This past Yom Tov, after being guests at the Seder, my wife and I walked home (about Fifteen blocks.). On the way we could hear how those people who got drunk sounded. You could really tell who sang Hallel and who slurred their words. They (the drunks) couldn’t control their tune either. They went up and down in the same breath.

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