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Isn’t that crazy?
I have never heard of such a thing!
People coming to shul or the beis medrash to learn and then spending the whole night drinking into a stupor, falling asleep during davening and while we lein maase merkava! Insane!
I’m not talking about one or two shots over the course of the night. I’m talking about a small group finishing 6-7 bottles.
In my day, we drank coffee. Just crazy.
pba are you just making this stuff up as u go along?
I have never heard of such a thing!
If you never heard of such a thing, what is the issue here? Merely theoretical?
pba – I never saw such a thing before.
wouldnt drinking liquor put them to sleep?
I don’t think pba’s Motzei Shabbos troll thread went too well this week. 🙂
shlishi,
took me a while but I agree
Could it be some one spiked the coffee?
How about people who smoke up all night on Shavuos. I mean, it’s one thing to smoke cigarettes on Yom Tov, but marijuana?! No wonder they say such krum chidushim!
For the people who say krum chiddushim all year round, a shot or two might just set them straight!
Have you ever seen someone on Shavuos night pour the coffee grinds and sugar into coke instead of water? This way it has more caffeine and more sugar!!
I know this thread is satire, but in the shul I leined at this morning the shliach actually announced the shavuos night program at his house as “a chance to hear all kinds of Torah and say a few l’chaims.”
Have you ever seen anybody hook themselves up with a coffee I.V. drip this way they don’t have to get up every few minutes for another coffee?
You may not be getting up for coffee with an IV, but you’ll be getting up to visit the room with no mezuzah.
Putting in an IV line for coffe is a total waste, you dont get the pleasure of the coffe, just take a caffine pill.
Have you ever seen anybody hook themselves up with a coffee I.V. drip this way they don’t have to get up every few minutes for another coffee?
I’ve always had this idea that it should be provided for all yeshiva bochurim
PBA -“Now one of my Sisters in law became a nurse. So we decided she should put IV lines in us before yontif, and while we sleep, we could just hook it up to a saline drip.
We didn’t do it.”
Yea, because if she got caught, she could go to jail for practicing medicine without a license, besides losing her nursing license. A nursing license doesn’t give you a legal right to practice medicine, only to follow the orders of people who can.
A NP (Nurse Practioner) can practice besides the MD or DO. A PA can practice under the supervision of a DO or MD.
“Have you ever seen someone on Shavuos night pour the coffee grinds and sugar into coke instead of water? This way it has more caffeine and more sugar!!”
You don’t need these homemade inventions anymore, the companies do it for you. They now make Red Bull and other such drinks. IMO, these drinks would have been made illegal due to their content, by the FDA; maybe s/o in the gov. was paid off to allow it through.
I think there’s an ??? ????? somewhere that says if one would know and realize the sweetness of Torah, they would ‘go crazy’ over it, the would get intoxicated from its sweetness.
It’s not the getting drunk on Shavuos night – or Purim either. It’s the people who are getting drunk the rest of the time. People who use the Shabbos table as an excuse to get quietly sloshed. People who mob the bar at weddings (and then step on your foot during the dancing because they’re too drunk to see straight).
Drinking has become a problem in our community – not the wild-and-woolly “Look at me I’m off the derech’ type drinking, but the quiet, hidden kind that takes its toll under the radar.
Let’s trade the bottles of hard stuff in for low-alcohol wine and celebrate in a state that we can remember the next day.
and remember chevre, this is the night of kafa aleihem har k’gigis, a time to be eyes wide open and sharp.
Chaz”al use the term “k’gigis”. It seems that Hashem poured wine from the mountain down their throats as if the mountain were a “gigis”. This is how he forced them to accept willingly–by getting them drunk! In memory of this we get drunk on Shavuos night.
pba – Is your brother an EMT, or a Medic? Because only Medics can start an IV line.
pba – So then what are you bringing in the fact that your brother is hatzola?
“My brothers on Hatzalah”. This randomly reminded me of Lost in Lazer Land.
Actually you wrote that your brother “is” Hatzalah. Impressive.
PBA -“That’s ok. My brother is Hatzala, so he can do it. We just needed her to bring the equipment. Also, we figured she is probably better at it.”
So they both could go to Jail for practicing without a license. Only medics can start lines if they are working EMS. In other words, Paramedics work under protocols to practice medicine, either online or offline. Starting lines for no reason wouldn’t fall under any protocol. Maybe a PA could get away with it. The paramedic would have to prove that the line was necessary and they refused transport. A very unlikely scenario if you used a lot of fluid. Also the medic would be required to notify dispatch of an EMS call that he happenned to come across. So given all the factors it’s unlikely the medic would get away with it. A PA could just say “I wanted to prevent dehydration in my patient”. Also, it has to be the PA’s patient and the doctor’s practice area. In other words, if the PA’s doc doesn’t ever do housecalls, then the PA can’t go to his/her’s patient’s house to practice. Laws of medicine are extremely complicated, but they have state workers dedicated to find those providers who mess up.
Pba, listen to Health! After all, your sister is a nurse, your brother Hatzalah, but Health is HEALTH!
Can anyone elighten me as to what Yeshiva, Bais mrdresh or shul this supposed Shavous drinking occurs?
PBA – Now that probably would be legal. But if your sister’s malpractice insurance found out about it, they probably would null their coverage. Why? Because she is practicing in area that she has no experience in. Too risky to insure such a doc.
This happens in the ER/hospital all the time. Try and get a doctor to see a patient that isn’t in their area. I was in an ER (as a student) and was shmuzing with an Ob/gyn I knew. A patient or their family member (I don’t remember which) came over and asked the guy if he was a doc. He said yes. Then the guy started begging him for help for himself or his family member. He said, “I can’t -I’m Ob/gyn, not an ER doc”. But the guy said “But didn’t you go to medical school”? He said, “Yea, but he doesn’t want to take chances in other areas”. Now, IMO, the guy (pt) was desperate because obviously noone had seen the patient yet and time was of the essence. So why didn’t the doc go over -maybe he could help -you don’t forget everything you learned in school? So I think, even though I didn’t ask him, that maybe his malpractice wouldn’t cover him. Because I knew the guy and don’t think he was just one that doesn’t care about people!
PBA -Well I guess she doesn’t have to worry about something she doesn’t have.
Just a gripe about our socialist medical system. Now the regular insurance companies are getting so controlling. If a practioner writes a script that isn’t in the first line protocol, eg. Augmentin instead of Amoxil for ear infections, they send you a nasty letter saying that it wasn’t the first line drug and reminding you what the protocol is. I guess if you do it too much, they will remove you as a provider of their insurance. So watch out if you practice medicine, Big Brother is watching you!
Putting a saline drip into an IV is not practicing medicine – it is just salt water, so I think PBAs idea is fine
good.jew – I guess your argument in Court would be -if I could drink it, what’s the difference if I put it through my/his veins?
Even drawing blood is considered a medical procedure!
You remind me of a lawyer I know. His client was arrested holding a TV outside an electronics store that was just broken into. The lawyer said -“Who said he stole it? He just found it there outside.” Never the less, he lost that case. But, nice try!
So what if my husband/wife is a nurse? Then can he/she give me an IV?
My sister is a psychiatrist
How often do you have appointments with her?
good.jew – So what if? A nurse can give an IV or anything else that is under nursing care if they have an order from a MD, DO, NP or PA. A medic can give one in an emergency situation only.
never seen it
^Ad Dilo Yada^
Health – the regular insurance companies aren’t Socialist! They’re good old-fashioned free-market capitalists. They’re bugging you about getting generics because that way they have to pay out less and get to make more profit.
Of course that aggravates the drug companies because then _they’re_ the ones losing the profits.
And you’re actually better off. A lot of the newer drugs still in patent were never tested properly and have more side effects. Look at Avandia, which not only doesn’t control diabetes better than the older, cheaper stuff, but actually kills people itself. When in doubt, go with the generic. It’s been on the market longer, and if it’s killing people the survivors have had more time to sue and get it taken off. (That’s not a joke.)
We should all live and be well and never need any drugs – brand name or generic.
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