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    flatbusher
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    I have heard of frum people getting together on Shabbos for drinking parties and the like. Sounds weird to me. I understand oneg Shabbos but doesn’t this carry things too far?

    #1137280

    Joseph
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    Sounds like chillul Shabbos.

    #1137281

    TheGoq
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    Well at least they wont drink and drive.

    #1137282

    WolfishMusings
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    I have heard of frum people getting together on Shabbos for drinking parties and the like.

    I sometimes get together with my sister on Shabbos. True, neither of us (nor our spouses) are drinkers. I didn’t realize that this was a problem.

    The Wolf

    #1137283

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I didn’t realize that this was a problem.

    Did someone say it was?

    #1137284

    WolfishMusings
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    Did someone say it was?

    See the OP.

    I understand oneg Shabbos but doesn’t this carry things too far?

    The Wolf

    #1137285

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    The “this” is clearly referring to drinking parties and the like.

    #1137286

    WolfishMusings
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    Define “and the like.” Clearly the OP is not *only* referring to drinking parties, but to other social engagements as well.

    The Wolf

    #1137287

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Drugs?

    #1137288

    how about jews getting together for a superbowl party? isn’t this crazy, going way too far & even turning the SUPERBOWL to the level of Avoda zara?

    how far down has yiddishkeit gone low?

    what is your honest opinion?

    #1137289

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I am not watching or listening to the Super Bowl, let alone at a party, but why is it avodah zarah?

    #1137290

    flatbusher
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    I don’t agree it’s avodah zarah. It may be silly but many a rabbanim have nostaligcally remembered how much they liked and rooted for the yankees. What went overboard is how frum businesses learned to capitalize on it by providing special kosher spreads. I don’t quite understand what drives people to this, especially when the superbowl doesn’t always involve the team you are loyal to, but the people who engage in such parties are probably the ones who go to ball games of other types or who just want a fun meal. Lighten up.

    #1137291

    WolfishMusings
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    even turning the SUPERBOWL to the level of Avoda zara?

    Please. No one worships the Superbowl.

    You may feel that the level of infatuation with sports is wrong, but when you call it an “Avoda Zara,” you lose all credibility.

    If you want to make your point, do it with facts and reason, not hyperbole, exaggeration and scare-mongering.

    The Wolf

    #1137292

    when someone makes something his/her top priority in life & throws Hashem away forgetting about minyan or Learning etc…. he has shown Hashem that this thing is avoda zara to him/her.

    What does the word Superbowl mean to people today? not all but Thousands of yidden would not miss it for any price R”L even if it meant missing something more important as a family event. thats called avoda zara, bowing down to the superbowl like a g-d

    Message from 2008 that still applies today:

    Why is the economy so bad today? Why is the whole world going down? For the past thousands of years there was always Avoda zara in the world-from the molech to the baal to the asheira tree etc…-todays avoda zara is MONEY, we are a servant to money, we serve money, we bow down to money, we let money talk & rule us. Thus we leave Hashem no choice but to take it away from us Rachmana L’tzlan. But you can still save yourself from going down. if a person can use his money the right way & remember that it all comes from Hashem & it was just loaned to him (even though he worked for it), then he is the perfect person to continue holding Hashem’s money.

    #1137293

    Burnt Steak
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    The shul I daven at hosts a superbowl party. Does that make us idolworshipers? Mashiach Agent, you can give your opinion. It doesn’t make it fact. Superbowl parties are not avodah zarah. Also you can’t say any one crisis is because of a specific reason. The economy crashing did not come about directly because of people worshiping money. Who are you to say that? No person alive is great enough to give reasons like that. From an economic standpoint the economy got much better and is not bad anymore, people may perceive it as bad, but it mostly recovered according to data.

    Can we get back to the drinking parties?

    If the other is referring to social engagements i.e. fraternizing with the opposite gender, wouldn’t that help solve the shiduch crisis?

    #1137294

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    If the other is referring to social engagements i.e. fraternizing with the opposite gender, wouldn’t that help solve the shiduch crisis?

    I suppose, if you define “the shidduch crisis” as too little pritzus.

    #1137295

    WolfishMusings
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    What does the word Superbowl mean to people today?

    To me, it means that pitchers and catchers report soon.

    not all but Thousands of yidden would not miss it for any price R”L even if it meant missing something more important as a family event. thats called avoda zara, bowing down to the superbowl like a g-d

    That’s your defintion of Avoda Zara? Something that causes you to miss an important family event?

    My aunt and uncle missed my vort because on the day it happened, they were off in Louisiana adopting a little girl who was just born. If it had happened on the day of my wedding, the day of my grandparents’ 50th wedding anniversary, or pretty much any other event, they would have skipped it and gone to get the baby girl. Does that make her an Avoda Zara?

    The Wolf

    #1137296

    Avram in MD
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    I have heard that you can safely ignore anything written after the words “I have heard” in an OP.

    #1137297

    Nice one, Avram. :>

    #1137298

    Regarding the Super Bowl and Jews, I liked R’ Dovid Hofstedter’s

    guest column in Mishpacha magazine about two weeks ago.

    The shul I daven at hosts a superbowl party.

    Let’s be dan l’kaf z’chus and assume their intention is to prevent

    people from watching the commercials and halftime show, or maybe

    from attending parties with mixed company. After all, a shul is an

    institution for matters of kodesh, and the Super Bowl is no such thing.

    #1137299

    Abba_S
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    I see nothing wrong with people getting together, the problem comes in when people drink alcohol which usually happens and things can get out of hand.

    #1137300

    flatbusher
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    My original post focused on the drinking aspect. There is nothing wrong with people getting together per se, as long as it doesn’t devolve into lashon harah or other negative activity.

    #1137301

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The shul I daven at hosts a superbowl party.

    Let’s be dan l’kaf z’chus and assume their intention is to prevent

    people from watching the commercials and halftime show, or maybe

    from attending parties with mixed company. After all, a shul is an

    institution for matters of kodesh, and the Super Bowl is no such thing.

    Perhaps the shul has a simcha room (Like most shuls do) and that is where the Super Bowl Party occured. I really doubt it occured in the main sanctuary

    #1137302

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    A Superbowl party doesn’t belong in a shul simcha room either.

    #1137303

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    But you are OK with a shul having a Chinese Auction which is really gamblimg in a Simcha room even if its for Tzedkah but not the Superbowl party which might also be for Tzedkah in the Simcha room

    #1137304

    flatbusher
    Participant

    Why is a Chinese Auction gambling?

    #1137305

    apushatayid
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    Like I wrote in a different thread. Just call it thurday night chulent on sunday night.

    #1137306

    Tzedaka is a matter of kodesh, and raffles are apparently

    not considered gambling in halocho, or they wouldn’t be allowed.

    The issue is with a shul hosting a Super Bowl party,

    regardless of where it takes place.

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