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  • #1670559
    Avram in MD
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    The little I know,

    Why do you assume that you are automatically the expert in the room, when you have no idea who the other posters are? Your appeal to the vague idea of “studies” holds absolutely no water. And while your faith in scientific rigor makes for a good read, have you conducted a thorough literature review to make sure there aren’t other studies with different results? Is it possible you are overstating the scope of the research? And how can we know that you are interpreting the studies you allude to correctly if you fail to cite them?

    #1670610
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I dont think you understand, Yeshivas are usually ‘Family Businesses” and whomever was in charge 30 years ago, its likely in charge today or at the worst their decendents are . So they same people are in charge, even if the Perp is no longer there.

    If it can be proven that he enabled, he should be fired. Legally, no yeshiva is privately owned, or they couldn’t receive tax deductible donations. There’s a board, who can hire a new dean.

    I don’t know why you think descendants should be liable for the misdeeds of their parents/grandparents. I think that’s very wrong.

    And I am fairly certain you cannot leagally sue the Perp if the crime happend during work hours. The employer is responsible

    So change the law. Suing a yeshiva out of existence isn’t the answer. The people who will suffer aren’t the perpetrators or enablers.

    #1670626
    zahavasdad
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    I don’t know why you think descendants should be liable for the misdeeds of their parents/grandparents. I think that’s very wrong.

    I guess you can use that argument about Millenial Germans or pretty much any German born after 1945, they bear no responsibility for the crimes of the nazis and shouldnt pay reperations either

    #1670649
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I personally find it distasteful to buy German products, but I’m pretty sure if I went ahead and sued Germany I wouldn’t win.

    So you’re sticking with your assertion that it’s okay to punish the child for what his parent did? If I found some misdeed that you did, you’d think it would be fair to punish your kids?

    #1670664
    Non Political
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    @ DY

    “So change the law. Suing a yeshiva out of existence isn’t the answer. The people who will suffer aren’t the perpetrators or enablers.”

    Agreed. Much better to go after the perps and any individual who knew or should have known what was happening. Perps and their enablers hop from institution to institution. On the other hand such a law might dissuade those who would try to “deal with the problem internally” so as to protect the reputation of a prominent family or institution.

    #1670672
    Talmidchochom
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    Let the yeshivos be accountable to parents. This power in the hands of the yeshivos going unchecked has gone on far too long. Time to come clean.

    #1670670
    zahavasdad
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    DY

    A mamzer is also punished for the sins of his parents too

    #1670706
    The little I know
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    ZD:

    You wrote: “A mamzer is also punished for the sins of his parents too”

    No he is not. Can you cite a source for this? I want the guilty to pay.

    The posuk says (לא יומתו בנים על אבות (דברים כד טז

    There are ways of HKB”H exacting consequences from children, as we read in last week’s parsha in the Aseres Hadibros, but that is G-d’s business, not ours.

    #1670694
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    It’s not about punishing children for their parents. First of all, it’s fairly safe to assume that the same mistakes would continue within the institution. But mainly, it makes no logical sense to say that if someone does a good enough job of keeping their crimes secret, then they get off scott-free after a certain point. There never should have been a statute of limitations for this particular crime.

    Prioritizing the protection of the institution and its image over the victims as a policy is an institutional problem, not an individual one. And, many of you seem to agree with this type of policy, at least subconsciously. The Catholic church scandal came to public attention after a lot of the abuses had taken place, because they had succeeded in suppressing the truth to protect their yeshiv… err churches… You think that if they cover it up for a certain number of years they should have no liability? Or, you just think that enablers should never have any liability in the first place?

    #1670730
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    A mamzer is also punished for the sins of his parents too

    We also wipe out an entire city in the case of Ir Hanidachas, so you’d be okay with wiping out not only the yeshiva, but the entire city?

    #1670734
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    You think that if they cover it up for a certain number of years they should have no liability? Or, you just think that enablers should never have any liability in the first place?

    Neither. I think the guilty should pay, not the innocent.

    Go after the actual enablers, not the people who took their positions.

    #1672139
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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