October 4, 2011 7:03 am at 7:03 am #599746GuardYourEyesMember
There was an article in the Mishpacha dealing with the terrible nisyonos of the internet. It was called “Is the Battle Lost?”. Click here to download the article http://www.guardureyes.com/GUE/PDFs/Is%20the%20Battle%20Lost.pdfDecember 12, 2016 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1198102LightbriteParticipant
Bump – 5yr threadDecember 12, 2016 4:36 am at 4:36 am #1198103mw13Participant
An excellent article – if anything, it is even more timely today. We cannot hide our hides in the sand and just pretend that this wide-spread problem does not exist.December 12, 2016 5:28 am at 5:28 am #1198104👑RebYidd23Participant
Hide our hides in the sand?December 12, 2016 5:34 am at 5:34 am #1198105Mashiach AgentMember
use the internet JUST FOR YOUR NEEDS (like email or to purchase something etc…) & REMOVE YOUR WANTS & DESIRES from the internet. leave your desires for food & other yetzer haras but NOT for the worst of all…. internet…. & what can C”V come from it…. (millions off the derech…. millions of divorces & intermarriages etc… no need to continue)
start working on yourself today one step at a time.
step 1: limit yourself to a amount of time slot max to use your computer each day.
step 2: lower the time slot each month & you will see you will manage to take care of everything even though its less time then last month.
HATZLACHADecember 12, 2016 9:14 am at 9:14 am #1198106☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
millions off the derech.... millions of divorces & intermarriages etc
Ludicrous. One word, that’s enough!December 12, 2016 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1198107ubiquitinParticipant
“millions off the derech…. millions of divorces & intermarriages etc”
I have a question on your statistics,
Besides for the millions off the Derech,
Are there Millions of divorces and Millions of Intermarriages for a total of 4 million “divorces & intermarriages”
Or is it a million divorces and a million intermarriages that leads you to “millions of divorces & intermarriages” for a total of 2 million.
Or is it Millions of people getting divorced and then remarraying Goyim r”l.
ThanksDecember 12, 2016 12:31 pm at 12:31 pm #1198108
Please tell us how there is a Yetzah Harah for “Food”
There is no Averiah to eat Kosher foodDecember 12, 2016 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1198109☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
The Rambam says that we must do teshuvah for “redifas hama’achalos…”December 12, 2016 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1198110
You should learn ???? ?????. More specifically around ?? ?. Where the Gemara talks about ??? ???? ????? ??.
Also, in ?? ???, where we mention ????? ??????. Which is not only for non kosher.December 12, 2016 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #1198111Mashiach AgentMember
Facebook tumah website has brought millionS of yidden to divorces & intermarriage R”L you don’t need me to tell you this & it gets worse every day. well guess what that on the internet
regarding taivos of kosher food. eating dinner out is one thing going to the restaurant to have a good kosher steak is going after your yetzer hara for things you desire…. so is it a tayva if you go on vacation every month versus once a year we all need a vacation were all humans.
BOTTOM LINE: use the web for your NEEDS not for EXTRAS eat to have strength to get you through the day & serve Hashem not to look for excuses to run after your lchaim & expensive foodDecember 12, 2016 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #1198112ubiquitinParticipant
“Facebook tumah website has brought millionS of yidden to divorces & intermarriage R”L you don’t need me to tell you this “
I do because it is nonsense. that said I am curios is it
1) Millions to divorces and millions to intermarriage for a total of 4 million “divorces & intermarriage”
2) A million divorces (give or take) and a million intermarrges for a total of 2 million “divorces and intermarriage”
3) 2 million people who have gotten both divorced and then intermarried
“use the web for your NEEDS not for EXTRAS”
Is spewing nonsense a “need” or a “want” of yours?December 12, 2016 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1198113
I dont know anyone who goes on vacation once a Month, Some people I know go twice a year (Once in Summer and once in Winter)
And if it is an Averiah to eat Sushi over some minced Fish dish that claims its edible , Ill gladly be a rasha
And Imported or California wine is much better than NY Wine..Too bad I cant afford the better Italian stuff (Id drink the whole bottle every week)December 12, 2016 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1198114
People were getting intermarried and divorced before there was an internetDecember 12, 2016 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #1198115
A ?? ???? ????? was ???? ?? ?? ???? after eating and drinkinga certain measure of meat and wine. It was not non-kosher meat and wine.
Apparently the Torah believes that there was some type of taavah from food that would result in a situation that ?????? ???? ?????. ?December 12, 2016 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #1198116
“Ill gladly be a rasha”
Hmm, Wolf never says gladly. Anyway it is clear that you too agree that there is a taavah and yetzer horah for food. To the extent that you would gladly be called a ??? so long you could imbibe.December 12, 2016 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1198117
“People were getting intermarried and divorced before there was an internet”
Yet all the experts say that the incidence has increased greatly. And, these statistics are readily available, it’s not only relating to Frum Jews.
It is like saying, people get lung cancer before even though they were never smokers and were not exposed to smoking, so don’t say there is anything wrong with smoking.December 13, 2016 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1198118
There actually probably are millions of intermarriages. There are more than 6 million Jews in the US, and the intermarriage rate is quite high. I don’t know the precise number, but I think it might be more than 1/3.
In terms of the rest, maybe he was calculating all of the future doros, r”l.December 13, 2016 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1198119
Nisht – +1 (for all your posts in this thread).
Additionally, the Biur Halacha at the beginning of Siman Alef, Seif Alef writes that “v’lo sasuru..” is one of the 6 Mitzvos tmidius, and he then explains the Mitzvah as follows:
??? ????? ???? ?????…????? ?????? ?? ???? …????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????
In other words, if you eat to satisfy your own desires (and not to serve Hashem), it is considered “znus” and you are “oiver” on this Mitzvah.December 13, 2016 2:15 am at 2:15 am #1198120FuturePOTUSParticipant
There’s a general concept of trying to move away from gashmius and move towards ruchnius. Kosher food is not something that is inherently assur. But as we work to remove ourselves from the elements of this world, food is included in that category.
In addition saying there a taavah for food does not say it’s assur, it merely says that people have a desire to eat food, which we can clearly see is true day in and day out.December 13, 2016 2:20 am at 2:20 am #1198121Matan1Participant
“Yet all the experts say that the incidence has increased greatly.”
Correlation is not causation.December 13, 2016 3:47 am at 3:47 am #1198122
Nisht:”Yet all the experts say that the incidence has increased greatly.”
Matan: Correlation is not causation.
True, but his comment was in response to this:
ZD: “People were getting intermarried and divorced before there was an internet”
He wasn’t saying that it’s a proof that Internet is responsible for the increase; he was simply saying that ZD’s statement was not proof that it’s not.December 13, 2016 3:55 am at 3:55 am #1198123FuturePOTUSParticipant
For people who know the psychology of what issues regarding shmiras einayim does to a person, it certainly leads many, many people off the derech (by causing a lack of care of Judaism, among other things) and that leads to other things including intermarriage. Millions is an exaggeration certainly in terms of causing intermarriage and also in sending people off the derech, but the point is made. In terms of the secular world, all it takes is a quick google search to see the effects of the internet on marriages worldwide, I saw a statistic which I forgot the exact number, but Facebook is mentioned in (it was at least this) a third of all divorces. Yes, people got divorced beforehand, but this is now a major contributing factor, and I don’t believe that 200, 100, and even 50 years ago we had a divorce rate of 50%.December 13, 2016 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1198124
He was defiantly equating the internet with intermarriage and divorce
Facebook tumah website has brought millionS of yidden to divorces & intermarriage R”LDecember 13, 2016 4:16 am at 4:16 am #1198125☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Yes, and it is intuitively correct even without any ironclad statistics (which are impossible to get anyhow).December 13, 2016 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1198126mw13Participant
I didn’t think he was that defiant… OK, maybe a bit, but still…December 13, 2016 4:49 am at 4:49 am #1198127
ZD: “He was defiantly equating the internet with intermarriage and divorce”
“Facebook tumah website has brought millionS of yidden to divorces & intermarriage R”L”
That quote wasn’t from Nisht; it was from MA. Matan and I were talking about Nisht’s statement.December 13, 2016 4:49 am at 4:49 am #1198128
DY +1December 13, 2016 10:23 am at 10:23 am #1198129Abba_SParticipant
There are only 14 million Jews in the world so I am not sure how you can have millions of divorces And intermarriage is only a problem for Reform & Conservative Jews not the frum community.December 13, 2016 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1198130
We didnt have large divorce rates until about the 1960’s when no-fault divorce became legal. No-fault divorce was the biggest reason why divorces have increased
Intermarriage increased when it became not only socially acceptable for a NON JEW to marry a jew, in many cases its seen as even desirable among non jewish women to get a jewish husband.
Look at both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, both gave their blessings when their daughters married jewish men. That would not have happend 100 years ago, both daughters would have been disownedDecember 13, 2016 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1198131
“There are only 14 million Jews in the world so I am not sure how you can have millions of divorces And intermarriage is only a problem for Reform & Conservative Jews not the frum community.”
Regarding intermarriage, he didn’t actually say that he was talking about Frum Jews. And intermarriage actually is a problem in the Orthodox community as well although in far, far fewer numbers. But to the extent that it does exist in the Orthodox community, I would imagine that internet may play a big role.
And regarding divorces, he didn’t say that he was only talking about Jews (when he said that internet caused millions of divorces).
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