December 16, 2008 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #588882
I have not found any topic that has dealt with these issues (If there is one please point it out).
This is really two posts in one:
1: What are the guidelines for YWN allowing items posted in the CR? For example, last week I was unable to post anything regarding Lakewood (due to the Bais Faiga issue), but was able to do so on thursday (after it was resolved?) If there are any clear guidelines, please tell us what they are.
2: (nonmods only) What do you feel the guidelines should be on a “Yeshivish” site to have any discussion? I have seen teenage girls flirting, men asking strange women personal details about their lives, and personal attacks which may be over the line, but were allowed. On the other hand, if something is news on in the Yeshiva World, as long as it does not involve Lashon Hara, should it be printed?
This touches on the discussion on how much information should we allow our children to have, which was a recent Yated “hot topic” in the Readers Write.
I look forward to your ideas.December 16, 2008 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #627943
You’re right, but to claim you are something you are not is Gnavas Daas, and I will not assume that anyone is doing something Assur.December 16, 2008 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #627944
don’t be naive. you’re too trusting. but anyway you’re right. (does that mean i shouldn’t be posting this cuz i’m a girl? probably.)December 16, 2008 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #627945
I have not seen any “girls flirting” on this website…December 16, 2008 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #627946
he’s right. it’s not perfect. myself included.December 17, 2008 12:05 am at 12:05 am #627947mdlevineMember
any question that is too personal and could lead to identification of a poster should not be asked and if it is asked and makes it way into the thread it should not be answered and if it is answered, both the question and answer should be deleted.
civil debate should be encouraged with the operative term being civil!
all advice whether halachic, haskafa, medical, dietary, legal… should not be taken as absolute – people need to consult their LOR, DR., Lawyer…December 17, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am #627948DocParticipant
noitallmr is correct. To the credit of the mods, although things that shouldn’t have made it on (i.e. kefira) have, flirting has never ever gotten past the mods acute eyes to these forums.December 17, 2008 12:12 am at 12:12 am #627949DocParticipant
In fact I have no idea what gavra_at_work was thinking. “men asking strange women personal details about their lives” is a figment of the overly vivid imagination.December 17, 2008 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #627950
Are you willing to have a conversation about it, or will you just run at the first sight of disagreement?
If you are willing to discuss (back and forth), then I will answer. If not then not.December 17, 2008 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #627951
Thanks Doc. I also think there are people here with over active imagination.
Go on gavra_at_work…I’ll hear you out. The mike’s yours…December 17, 2008 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #627952
Which point is in contention? The flirting point has already been discussed by “brooklyn19” (not to say she’s the one, but she admitts she should be more careful).
Doc himself has admitted there are personal attacks (although I was thinking of someone else).
That being as it may, I would like to get back to the original point.
What do you (noitallmr) feel the guidelines should be for posting?December 17, 2008 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #627953
I have never seen flirting on here and that’s what makes YWN so amazing! Go look at any other site that ppl can ‘chat’ on and see what kinda garbage it leads to! On YWN only tachlis! Usually!;)December 17, 2008 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #627954
Would be interested in hearing from you as well…December 17, 2008 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #627955
myshadow – that “usually” kinda answers the question. we should really be asking ourselves “would i be saying this to someone from the other gender in person? or am i taking advantage cuz it’s online?” just as a side point, though – there are so many different levels within the CR so this is likely to turn into another debate.December 17, 2008 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #627956
that there are so many different levels is a strong reason to have some guidelines.
Any ideas from you?December 17, 2008 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #627957
dunno. but i gotta be more careful myself. but how much do you want to bet it’s going to turn into a fight? i’ll bet in hours off the site.December 17, 2008 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #627958
I hardly ever know who’s a guy or a girl here unless it’s very obvious from their screen name. I have never really seen flirting here but the only thing I could think of is that if people start asking personal questions then the mods should edit or remove the q so it shouldn’t be directed at one person only. (I think they do that already)December 17, 2008 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #627959
yeah well what does flirting mean? it’s all virtual anyway, right? so the qualifications are not gonna be regular. i think any unnecessary or off topic questions fit the bill. even if unintentional, that’s be’etzem what they are. agreed?December 17, 2008 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #627960
Yup. The threads that have been started here lately; are those included: ie: why your screen name? age? hashkafa? … where do we draw the line exactlyDecember 17, 2008 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #627961
I can see this turning into a slanging match, it’s almost as if certain people cause provocation in order to start a fight!
Brooklyn19 : yeah well what does flirting mean? it’s all virtual anyway, right
No, it’s not right.
Myshaddow and gavra_at_work : Where do we draw the line? What are the guidlines
Do you really need guidance how far to push things, gosh!
Gavra_at_work : men asking strange women personal details about their lives.
I have not seen this directly.December 17, 2008 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #627962
“Do you really need guidance how far to push things, gosh!”
No but if we’re gona start making some topics taboo, then which ones?
Personally I don’t see anything wrong in the crDecember 17, 2008 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #627963AnonymousInactive
from the perspective of a moderator:
We try to be very careful to avoid
flirtatious dialogue and personal identifying information from being asked (as opposed to the generic questions).
It doesn’t always work. sometimes someone sneaks something in that seems innocent however, it may have a double meaning and it is not caught.
If you see something that we missed – tell us – be specific (which thread, which page who said it and to whom are they addressing it) and we will review it. If we deem the post inappropriate – the post will be edited or deleted.
The Editor and Moderators are committed to providing a proper environment.
YW Moderator-(this time without a number)December 17, 2008 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #627964
Thanx great job guys!December 17, 2008 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #627965SJSinNYCMember
Sometimes I am surprised at what goes through. There was a statement… EDITED: please let me know the thread and the post will be edited/deleted. YW Moderator .December 17, 2008 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #627966
Nobody (AKA Somebody):
I brought it up due to the Bais Faiga question, which I feel should not have been censored. (then again, it may have been something else in the post that got it tossed out!). Then again, R’ Mattisyahu said the bloggers “were not helpful”, but what does that mean Lgabay YWN where we have a moderator to watch for Lashon Hara?
As such, its not only a question of personal conduct (which the mod above has a response), but also what topics are not allowed, and what is grey and perhaps should be allowed. Or do we only allow plain vanilla?
If memory serves, there was a somewhat similar thread regarding who may post.December 17, 2008 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #627967
“What do you (noitallmr) feel the guidelines should be for posting? “
I don’t think I need to spell out any guidelines for moderation simply because everyone here has a brain and knows what’s acceptable on a Frum Website and what isn’t. Boruch Hashem there’s a great group of guys moderating who know exactly when to stop a topic when to delete a post etc.
But i repeat, I haven’t seen one inappropriate post on this website at all. Great job guys keep up the good work…Kol Ho’osek Butzorchei Tzibur Be’emuno HKB”H Yeshalem Schorom!!!December 17, 2008 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #627968SJSinNYCMember
YW Moderator – I don’t remember what thread. If I come across it again, I’ll let you know.
Thank youDecember 17, 2008 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #627969
Gavra_at_work It’s not about being vanilla it’s more about common sense and the mere fact of the name of this site. The implication of the name Yeshiva World News should be self explanatory but you will always get posters who thrive on pushing the boundaries.
There is also the element of those who try to push their luck with the moderators and try to get the better of them. Why? I could hazard a few guesses but why bother? The moderators have time and time again with all the patience in the world edited, censored and deleted posts and well as refusing their submission onto the site and as you have seen, this alone causes grief!
Shame really, as there is plenty of room for debate, opinions, humour, laughter and all the rest without Loshon Horoh, being offensive, being too personal and pushing the boundaries of decency and misquoting halacha.
The reason going back to the Bais Faiga issue could well be because what you thought was an acceptable discussion the moderators could foresee ballooning into something quite else. You as a poster do not have their foresight. That’s why they are moderators and we’re just posters.
Eventually the moderators will stop certain people from posting which would be a shame. There is no reason not to behave on cyber as one would in ‘real life. Yikes, now I’ve really gone and done it, wait for the replies I’m going to get on this post!
Signed with respect, still a Nobody and not a Somebody!December 17, 2008 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #627970
nobody – btw i was being sarcastic when i said that it’s all virtual. in case you were wondering.December 18, 2008 12:00 am at 12:00 am #627971Chuck SchwabParticipant
Forget about your very imaginative mind, as everyone here has pointed out…
What makes you feel entitled that your post (on the Lakewood schools, or whatever) is meeting YWN very high standards in approving a post? If your comment fails these standards, as it apparently did, you should not expect to see it approved.December 18, 2008 8:49 am at 8:49 am #627972
Brooklyn19 – the point is not what you meant or mean when you post but how your posts are perceived and read.December 18, 2008 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #627973
Thats why I started the discussion, as to what those standards are and what the posters feel the standards should be.
What do you feel the standards should be?December 18, 2008 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #627974
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