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Just a wee bit of a rant. It bothers the bejeebers out of me when I hear people say HaftOrah, or worse, HaftOIrah. The word is Haftarah. It comes from the same shores as the word Maftir, meaning extra. Nothing to do with the word Torah, and should not be pronounced the same. To hear people in frummer circles say Haftoirah just gives me goosebumps.
Hi hatzolajew.
You bring up a great point.
There are so many pronunciations or so many words, and according to a newsletter I get, people can
be saying an entirely different word literally changing the meaning of what they are saying.
I wonder how many ways there are to say Amen? At every minyan you can hear quite a variety. lol
haftarah = Take leave
hatzolajew – Thank you for your volunteer work. (I assume you are a hatzolah member)
And here I thought that Navi was only half as good as the Torah.
You are totaslly correct. For many years as a child, I thought the word was HafTorah, as in half-Torah, because it was a small section of Tanach that was read after the whole Sedrah. Like a mini-Torah.
Of course, now I know better.
Ok, now I have a bone to pick with you.
That’s all fine and good that you figured out that there’s no ???? on the tes. But what is the correct nikud? Hmm.
The truth is it is a ??? ???, not a ??? ????. How is a ??? ??? pronounced? Well, for Ashkenazim there isn’t really a difference, but for Sephardim, it is pronounced the same as their ???? which is almost the same as both of our ???-es.
Now let’s think. Assuming we are using standard Artscroll, Yated etc. methods of transliteration, the nikud is transliterated Sephardi (Avraham, not Avrohom; Sarah, not Soroh). So how to transliterate ??????
Based on the above, it should be transliterated Haftorah, because it is a ??? ???, which in correct Sephardi pronunciation is pronounced “oh.”
Turns out you are just as “guilty” as the people you are ranting about.
(By the way, I think this also explains how it evolved so that people started saying haf-tow-rah.)
Hi yit.
Very interesting post, but you lost me when you took a bite outta hatzolajew at the very end.
To me, there was no rant. hatzolajew brought out a point that obviously enlightened everyone to a fact that many may have not known. That is a good thing.
You also underscored their point as being valid.
Your point has yet to be substantiated. And whether it is or not, no reason to not to put a “gotcha” spin on it.
yitayningwut: Actually, for ashkenazim — or at the very least ashkenazi diqDHUQ geeks — a kamatz katan has it’s own sound, and it is almost exactly like the ???? (the OH cholam, not the oy, ey, or, ow). So they’re right after all if only by accident.
Interesting idea but isnt it more likely just confusion with the word torah?
this is similar to why people think the letter tsadi is tsadik.
simply because the next letter is kuf. and when reciting the aleph bais one says …tsadi kuf … and tsadik is a familiar word. tsadi isnt.
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It is not a ??? ???
The sound is just like in the word ??. No one would pronounce this as koil or kal, it’s kol.
“I wonder how many ways there are to say Amen? At every minyan you can hear quite a variety. lol”
only one: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMAYN!!!
BTGuy –
My “gotcha” spin on it was meant to be a joke. I apologize if it didn’t come off that way. The OP said it was a rant.
Itche –
Yeah, but I’m from the yeshivishe velt where we say oy and never oh, so there isn’t much of a difference for us. But I don’t mean to monopolize (especially when we are incorrect, lol).
blockhead –
I’ll have to get back to you on that, but I’m almost sure you are incorrect.
I had this idea for a while and recently read it on a blog b’sheim Shadal.
Hi yit.
I see your point and I apologize.
Sometimes, for me, only seeing the written word can be misunderstood. In fact, I wonder how many of any of our posts are really understood in their entire context and dont require further explanation?
: D
Blockhead: True.
yitay: Yeah, but if you did read it properly… 😉
When I was a kid, I thought it was called a “haftorah” because it was half as holy as the Torah reading.
Yeah, I was an idiot as a kid.
Nothing has really changed since.
The Wolf
Based on the above, it should be transliterated Haftorah, because it is a ??? ???, which in correct Sephardi pronunciation is pronounced “oh.”
Nope, it is pronounced as aw as in “kawl Yisroel areivim zeh lazeh.” The other kamatz is pronounced as ah as in Yisrah-el.
Wolf, you actually said in a much better way, what I more or less thought as a child. No, you were not and are not an idiot. i think to this day many people forget that the word haftara is spelled with a Tes and not a Tov.
Yeah, I was an idiot as a kid.
Nothing has really changed since.
LOL (with you, not at you)
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