Halacha: Dressing Under Covers

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  • #604248
    Englishman
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    Are people (male and female) required to get dressed under covers when putting on (and removing) articles of clothing?

    So I learnt.

    #908740

    Shulchan Oruch (Orach Chayim 2,1)

    #908741
    Sam2
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    Not precisely. Just find a way to avoid exposing yourself during changing. Also, it’s heavily Mashma from the Mishnah B’rurah (2:1, I believe) that if one changes in the bathroom there is no need. Also, I heard quoted B’sheim R’ Moshe that it’s a Middas Chassidus and not Ikar Hadin, but I’ve never seen that inside.

    #908742

    The bathroom is a place where nakedness is not considered to be a lack of tznius, therefor, youd probably be right about that.

    #908743
    Sam2
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    Yeshivish: I thought so too. Someone once called me an Apikores for saying that (well, he said I was an Apikores for being Mevazeh Divrei Chachamim; I guess he needed to learn more than just the beginning of Orach Chayim again). But I think that’s fairly Pashut P’shat, isn’t it?

    #908744

    makes sense to me

    #908745
    pcoz
    Member

    I take a shower in my robe

    #908746
    shlishi
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    Halacha is (as brought in S”A) you have to get dressed under covers. But if you’re in the bathroom, you’re okay. Otherwise, under covers.

    What clothing must be done as such? Socks and shoes surely not. Pants surely yes. What about shirt and undershirt?

    And what if you’re in a swimming pool area, how does this halacha apply?

    #908747
    Sam2
    Participant

    Shlishi: Shirt for sure not because it’s normal to walk around indoors in an undershirt (in most places, I think). Undershirt for sure yes because most people don’t walk around their homes completely shirtless, I think (maybe this is different in different places).

    #908748
    ohr chodesh
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    Shirt and undershirt would have to be done undercovers.

    I’d tend think a pool area is, to a limited extent, similar to a bathroom to the extend of undressing a shirt and pants (but not underpants/bathing suit) without covers.

    #908749
    Sam2
    Participant

    Ohr Chodesh: Why shirt? Undershirt I completely agree with, but why shirt?

    #908750
    ohr chodesh
    Member

    I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.

    #908751
    Sam2
    Participant

    But this isn’t determined by how you walk on the street. Presumably someone who’s relaxing or reading or resting in his room would be comfortable doing so in just an undershirt (I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong). Therefore, you put on your undershirt under the sheets but after that I think one could get up and put his shirt on.

    #908752
    WolfishMusings
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    I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.

    Well, if you’ve never seen it, I guess that’s proof enough that no one ever does it.

    The Wolf

    #908753
    jbaldy22
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    @Sam2 i heard rav simcha bunim cohen say that it is mikar hadin – and he never mentioned a word about rav moshe saying otherwise. he spoke about getting dressed in the bathroom but i dont remember how he paskened in the end.

    #908754
    superstar
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    Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?

    #908756
    more_2
    Member

    Because your mezuzos are not on your bathroom door

    #908757
    elmos world
    Member

    If in the bathroom there is no lack of tznius then why does the Mishna Breura say you should not fully expose yourself when using the bathroom?

    #908758
    iced
    Member

    Because the Shechina is not in the bathroom.

    #908759
    musser zoger
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    If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.

    #908760
    WIY
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    musser zoger

    “If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.”

    Something about this sounds “krum.”

    #908761
    musser zoger
    Participant

    WIY,

    What sounds krum?

    2 Points

    1. “If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza.

    2. Some mezuzos ar on the outside of the door when door is closed. So mezuza isnt in the room while one is getting undressed.

    #908762
    farrocks
    Member

    The mezuza isn’t the reason. So covering it helps in no way.

    #908763
    more_2
    Member

    So then what’s the reason?

    #908764
    Health
    Participant

    more_2 -“So then what’s the reason?”

    Tzinius -Hashem is everywhere.

    #908765
    Health
    Participant

    superstar -“Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?”

    That’s exactly my sentiments, without even locking any door. All the guys in Yeshiva think you must hide yourself under a robe or covers and they look at you like a Goy if you don’t. If people would bother looking up the Halacha it says you don’t have to cover yourself in a place where it is a customary to be undressed. It doesn’t say “bathroom”, Mikva, etc. I consider a bedroom the same way as the things I just mentioned. But unfortunately for you, I can only Pasken for myself – so good luck finding a Poisek that will Matter a bedroom for you.

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