July 24, 2012 3:10 am at 3:10 am #604248EnglishmanMember
Are people (male and female) required to get dressed under covers when putting on (and removing) articles of clothing?
So I learnt.July 24, 2012 3:16 am at 3:16 am #908740
Shulchan Oruch (Orach Chayim 2,1)July 24, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #908741
Not precisely. Just find a way to avoid exposing yourself during changing. Also, it’s heavily Mashma from the Mishnah B’rurah (2:1, I believe) that if one changes in the bathroom there is no need. Also, I heard quoted B’sheim R’ Moshe that it’s a Middas Chassidus and not Ikar Hadin, but I’ve never seen that inside.July 24, 2012 3:26 am at 3:26 am #908742
The bathroom is a place where nakedness is not considered to be a lack of tznius, therefor, youd probably be right about that.July 24, 2012 3:34 am at 3:34 am #908743
Yeshivish: I thought so too. Someone once called me an Apikores for saying that (well, he said I was an Apikores for being Mevazeh Divrei Chachamim; I guess he needed to learn more than just the beginning of Orach Chayim again). But I think that’s fairly Pashut P’shat, isn’t it?July 24, 2012 3:37 am at 3:37 am #908744
makes sense to meJuly 24, 2012 3:55 am at 3:55 am #908745pcozMember
I take a shower in my robeJuly 24, 2012 4:35 am at 4:35 am #908746shlishiMember
Halacha is (as brought in S”A) you have to get dressed under covers. But if you’re in the bathroom, you’re okay. Otherwise, under covers.
What clothing must be done as such? Socks and shoes surely not. Pants surely yes. What about shirt and undershirt?
And what if you’re in a swimming pool area, how does this halacha apply?July 24, 2012 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #908747
Shlishi: Shirt for sure not because it’s normal to walk around indoors in an undershirt (in most places, I think). Undershirt for sure yes because most people don’t walk around their homes completely shirtless, I think (maybe this is different in different places).July 24, 2012 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #908748ohr chodeshMember
Shirt and undershirt would have to be done undercovers.
I’d tend think a pool area is, to a limited extent, similar to a bathroom to the extend of undressing a shirt and pants (but not underpants/bathing suit) without covers.July 24, 2012 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #908749
Ohr Chodesh: Why shirt? Undershirt I completely agree with, but why shirt?July 24, 2012 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #908750ohr chodeshMember
I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.July 24, 2012 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #908751
But this isn’t determined by how you walk on the street. Presumably someone who’s relaxing or reading or resting in his room would be comfortable doing so in just an undershirt (I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong). Therefore, you put on your undershirt under the sheets but after that I think one could get up and put his shirt on.July 24, 2012 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #908752WolfishMusingsParticipant
I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.
Well, if you’ve never seen it, I guess that’s proof enough that no one ever does it.
The WolfJuly 24, 2012 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #908753jbaldy22Member
@Sam2 i heard rav simcha bunim cohen say that it is mikar hadin – and he never mentioned a word about rav moshe saying otherwise. he spoke about getting dressed in the bathroom but i dont remember how he paskened in the end.November 26, 2012 12:00 am at 12:00 am #908754superstarMember
Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?November 26, 2012 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #908756more_2Member
Because your mezuzos are not on your bathroom doorNovember 26, 2012 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #908757elmos worldMember
If in the bathroom there is no lack of tznius then why does the Mishna Breura say you should not fully expose yourself when using the bathroom?November 26, 2012 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #908758icedMember
Because the Shechina is not in the bathroom.November 26, 2012 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #908759Rav TuvParticipant
If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.November 26, 2012 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #908760WIYMember
“If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.”
Something about this sounds “krum.”November 26, 2012 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #908761Rav TuvParticipant
What sounds krum?
1. “If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza.
2. Some mezuzos ar on the outside of the door when door is closed. So mezuza isnt in the room while one is getting undressed.November 27, 2012 12:15 am at 12:15 am #908762farrocksMember
The mezuza isn’t the reason. So covering it helps in no way.November 27, 2012 12:26 am at 12:26 am #908763more_2Member
So then what’s the reason?November 27, 2012 1:28 am at 1:28 am #908764HealthParticipant
more_2 -“So then what’s the reason?”
Tzinius -Hashem is everywhere.November 27, 2012 1:38 am at 1:38 am #908765HealthParticipant
superstar -“Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?”
That’s exactly my sentiments, without even locking any door. All the guys in Yeshiva think you must hide yourself under a robe or covers and they look at you like a Goy if you don’t. If people would bother looking up the Halacha it says you don’t have to cover yourself in a place where it is a customary to be undressed. It doesn’t say “bathroom”, Mikva, etc. I consider a bedroom the same way as the things I just mentioned. But unfortunately for you, I can only Pasken for myself – so good luck finding a Poisek that will Matter a bedroom for you.
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