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Are people (male and female) required to get dressed under covers when putting on (and removing) articles of clothing?
So I learnt.
Shulchan Oruch (Orach Chayim 2,1)
Not precisely. Just find a way to avoid exposing yourself during changing. Also, it’s heavily Mashma from the Mishnah B’rurah (2:1, I believe) that if one changes in the bathroom there is no need. Also, I heard quoted B’sheim R’ Moshe that it’s a Middas Chassidus and not Ikar Hadin, but I’ve never seen that inside.
The bathroom is a place where nakedness is not considered to be a lack of tznius, therefor, youd probably be right about that.
Yeshivish: I thought so too. Someone once called me an Apikores for saying that (well, he said I was an Apikores for being Mevazeh Divrei Chachamim; I guess he needed to learn more than just the beginning of Orach Chayim again). But I think that’s fairly Pashut P’shat, isn’t it?
makes sense to me
I take a shower in my robe
Halacha is (as brought in S”A) you have to get dressed under covers. But if you’re in the bathroom, you’re okay. Otherwise, under covers.
What clothing must be done as such? Socks and shoes surely not. Pants surely yes. What about shirt and undershirt?
And what if you’re in a swimming pool area, how does this halacha apply?
Shlishi: Shirt for sure not because it’s normal to walk around indoors in an undershirt (in most places, I think). Undershirt for sure yes because most people don’t walk around their homes completely shirtless, I think (maybe this is different in different places).
Shirt and undershirt would have to be done undercovers.
I’d tend think a pool area is, to a limited extent, similar to a bathroom to the extend of undressing a shirt and pants (but not underpants/bathing suit) without covers.
Ohr Chodesh: Why shirt? Undershirt I completely agree with, but why shirt?
I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.
But this isn’t determined by how you walk on the street. Presumably someone who’s relaxing or reading or resting in his room would be comfortable doing so in just an undershirt (I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong). Therefore, you put on your undershirt under the sheets but after that I think one could get up and put his shirt on.
I’ve never seen a Yid in just his undershirt on the street or even in his kitchen.
Well, if you’ve never seen it, I guess that’s proof enough that no one ever does it.
The Wolf
@Sam2 i heard rav simcha bunim cohen say that it is mikar hadin – and he never mentioned a word about rav moshe saying otherwise. he spoke about getting dressed in the bathroom but i dont remember how he paskened in the end.
Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?
Because your mezuzos are not on your bathroom door
If in the bathroom there is no lack of tznius then why does the Mishna Breura say you should not fully expose yourself when using the bathroom?
Because the Shechina is not in the bathroom.
If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.
musser zoger
“If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza. and my mezuza is on the outside of the door when door is closed.”
Something about this sounds “krum.”
WIY,
What sounds krum?
2 Points
1. “If the mezuza is the reason just cover or double cover your mezuza.
2. Some mezuzos ar on the outside of the door when door is closed. So mezuza isnt in the room while one is getting undressed.
The mezuza isn’t the reason. So covering it helps in no way.
So then what’s the reason?
more_2 -“So then what’s the reason?”
Tzinius -Hashem is everywhere.
superstar -“Wait. I don’t understand the difference between a bathroom with a lock and a bedroom with a lock. Why the need for hiding under your blankets?”
That’s exactly my sentiments, without even locking any door. All the guys in Yeshiva think you must hide yourself under a robe or covers and they look at you like a Goy if you don’t. If people would bother looking up the Halacha it says you don’t have to cover yourself in a place where it is a customary to be undressed. It doesn’t say “bathroom”, Mikva, etc. I consider a bedroom the same way as the things I just mentioned. But unfortunately for you, I can only Pasken for myself – so good luck finding a Poisek that will Matter a bedroom for you.
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