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Since it snowed on shabbos are you allowed to build things in the snow during shabbos?
Ask your LOR. The coffee room is not the place for a real halachic question. If you do not have a LOR, then there is a bigger problem here.
I admit that I am not a Rabbi or Halachic expert,
so I will not attempt to make a Halachic ruling.But I can say this, based on more than 40 years of experience
with the world of Orthodox Judaism:Even if building a snowman on Shabbos were 100% permitted,
and did not violate ANY laws, I guarantee you that some
Rabbi will say: “it is best not to” or “it is not Shabbos-dik”.Even if building a snowman on Shabbos were 100% permitted,
the Rabbis will still tell you that you should be studying Torah
on Shabbos, not building a snowman.
(And they are probably right about that!)Therefore, even if it were 100% permitted according to Halachah,
you still would never be permitted to do it by Rabbis.The best answer that you could possibly hope for from Rabbis is:
“It is really permitted, but don’t tell anyone I said that,
because it might ruin the shidduch chances
of my children or grandchildren.”When it comes to Shabbos, Kashrus and Tznius,
no amount of chumrahs is ever too much for the Chareidi Rabbis
because no amount of chumrahs is ever enough for the Chareidi Rabbis.So far as they are concerned, the more chumrahs, the better.
And you are NEVER allowed to disagree with them,
no matter how good your logic is.
Their word is final, even when they
prohibit things that are really permitted.Your logic, no matter how valid, means nothing to them.
The only that matters what Rabbi X said.Please do not try to tell me that I am wrong.
I have been experiencing the world of Orthodox Judaism
and watching it for more than 40 years,
I know exactly what I am talking about.According to the email blast our shul Rav (Litvak) sent Friday noon:
Building a snowman on Shabbos is assur and in fact the prohibition is D’oraysa according to some poskim.My Rav said no, it’s בונה and R Moshe among others holds snow is מוקצה
a better question is can you clean the snow where the public can fall. Ashkenazim and Sephardim seem to differ here. Also, if you look at old teshuvos, it might have been from places where danger of the fall was not such an issue – no sidewalk, dirt on the road, etc.
Short answer is no. For a clear, detailed, and comprehensive treatment, look for R’ Yehudah Spitz’s article on the Ohr Sameach website.
Are you asking regarding a Jew or regarding a Goy?
You aren’t allowed to. The question is whether it would be De’oeaysa or not since it can’t last.
But it sure is considered building. Even piling up cheese to create a solid block of cheese is considered building.
There can be other issues as well. Removing the snow from where it naturally formed may be the Melachah of Tolesh, and f clumping it after that may be Me’amer.
The short answer is no. For a detailed, claer, and comprehensive treatment, look for the article written by R’ Yehudah Spitz of Ohr Smeach.
Any ideas.someone I know has panick attacks and goes to the hospital during shabbos a lot.is this an aveira
Does anyone know a rabbi to talk to or anyone to talk to about a bad situation im dealing with.?having to do with antisemitism.
I’m being picked on by some antisemites and I fear for my life too but I think there’s no one to help.what can I do?any ideas
Hurricane chani or hurricane moishe
I had a hurricane with my name but my legal first name is goyishe used for both Jews and non chosen ones lol
I don’t even understand how the sheila starts. Snow is muktzah.
Wow square root!
So much hate at “chareidi Rabbis” im wondering if you’re still not listening to music 🙄
It seems that R Moshe (minority view) that snow is muktza is based on two considerations: (1) there is no use for it (2) people perceive it as nolad.
For (2), I would say that currently people know that snow is coming from clouds just by watching weather forecast. So, the perception has definitely changed.
On the permitted shoveling when there is a tzibur need (3 people or more, going to shul included) – it would only allow a small path along where people need to go. Also, not over dirt or grass. Preferably to shovel fresh rather than frozen snow.
O also wonder whether it should only be allowed if you did what you could before shabbos – such as sand the road. [you can also salt it, but then you’ll have to fix the road, of course]. This halocha would be a modern one – as previously we did not know before shabbos that there will be snow on shabbos.
I am surprised by how many people care about snowballs v. cleaning the road along your house for people to walk. I don’t think this room is populated by teens (although sometimes it feels like it), maybe it is populated by parents who have hard time telling kids: no snowballs today, go learn, or help clean the road.
@ Square root,
Is this the way you behave on dates? now I see why you a bitter alter bucher, listen to music and relax or go hang with Weissman at some bar
Coffee Addict:
Do not accuse me of hating the Chareidi Rabbis, because it is not true.
I respect them greatly. May HASHEM grant them good health and happiness.
But all humans have flaws, and all Chareidi Rabbis are humans.
I do not hate the Chareidi Rabbis; I am simply aware of their flaws.
I wish you a safe and warm winter.
You do NOT respect Rabbis. You inserted yourself into a halachic discussion with leitzanus before knowing any actual opinions. You see the Rabbis as inherently flawed which makes you an am ha’aretz. That’s nothing to be proud of.
Baalhabooze,
It’s a machlokes R elyashiv ztl (and others) actually held it isnt muktzeh
“When it comes to Shabbos, Kashrus and Tznius,
no amount of chumrahs is ever too much for the Chareidi Rabbis
because no amount of chumrahs is ever enough for the Chareidi Rabbis.So far as they are concerned, the more chumrahs, the better.
And you are NEVER allowed to disagree with them,
no matter how good your logic is.
Their word is final, even when they
prohibit things that are really permitted.”This line comes from שנאה sorry to break it to you
SQUARE_ROOT, so in an actual Halacha we aren’t treated to those anthologies? Is that only reserved for nationalistic ideas?
Well, one might bring down from a famous chasideshe nigun “Let it Snow, Let it snow, Let it snow”….composed at the end of WW II by two ehrliche yidden, Shmule Cohen (aka Sammy Cahn) and Yudi Stein (aka Julie Styne) that encourages more and more snow without intervention either in terms of binyan or clearing paths to the beis medrash.
coffee > SQRT > So far as they are concerned, the more chumrahs, the better.
And you are NEVER allowed to disagree with them,To translate SQRT into a rational approximation: he says that these rabbis believe in being machmir bein adam l’makom and in their own being “daas Torah”. I don’t think this applies to every rabbi, I am pretty sure Rav Moshe was not holding by himself as such an authority, for example.
To Square_Root
I agree with you that Gedolim are humans and sometimes they are flawed, but it’s best to be cautious rather than to call them out. On the other hand, those who attribute god-like qualities to Gedolim, e.g. ruach Hakodesh, Daas Torah etc should be called out, because they’re totally lost.
Aaq,
“ I don’t think this applies to every rabbi, I am pretty sure Rav Moshe was not holding by himself as such an authority, for example.“
Yet square root would say it about R Moshe because he’s “overly machmir” in this regard
@Square root,
“Do not accuse me of hating the Charedi Rabbis I respect them greatly. ”
You have the same level of respect for them as I have for an unemployed alter bucher blogger who claims he can solve the shidduch crises
coffee > Yet square root would say it about R Moshe because he’s “overly machmir” in this regard
Did he? From memory, R Moshe suggested someone to follow his own Rav on a controversial topic (eruv?) rather than him. He also declined to respond to a sefer that attacked his positions – so that not to make the author lose parnosah.
“Did he? From memory, R Moshe suggested someone to follow his own Rav on a controversial topic (eruv?) rather than him. He also declined to respond to a sefer that attacked his positions – so that not to make the author lose parnosah.“
Im not following, R Moshe says it’s muktzeh square root said “ Therefore, even if it were 100% permitted according to Halachah,
you still would never be permitted to do it by Rabbis.The best answer that you could possibly hope for from Rabbis is:
“It is really permitted, but don’t tell anyone I said that,
because it might ruin the shidduch chances
of my children or grandchildren.”When it comes to Shabbos, Kashrus and Tznius,
no amount of chumrahs is ever too much for the Chareidi Rabbis
because no amount of chumrahs is ever enough for the Chareidi Rabbis.So far as they are concerned, the more chumrahs, the better.”
can you clean the snow where the public can fall
What’s the reason for doing that? Unless there are hazards concealed by the snow, such as holes or rocks, or if failure to remove snow from a sidewalk encourages people to walk in the street and risk getting hit by cars, falling on deep snow is safer than falling on bare ground. And if removing the snow leaves an icy sidewalk, the danger may be increased.
Dovid, you listed all the reasons – people will walk in the street, slipping on ice under snow, slipping on ice on the road. Falling in deep snow may be safer than on the ground but it is not safer than not falling. There are a number of people for whom falling is dangerous.
In many (most?) places it is responsibility of the house owner to remove the snow. So, this sort of makes it in your reshus that you allowed others to travel on – so then it is your “bor” to remove?
All of that might not have been a big issue in a shtetl 200 years ago – roads were hard to walk anyway and snow probably did not add much.
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