April 17, 2016 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #617579mw13Participant
Does anybody besides me think that there just might be some middle ground between Zionism being the best thing since Matan Torah or the worst thing since the Eigel HaZahav?April 17, 2016 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1147750JosephParticipant
Do you acknowledge that it is closer to the eigel than to the Torah?April 17, 2016 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1147751Geordie613Participant
I think everyone is in that (very wide) spaceApril 17, 2016 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1147752mw13Participant
I acknowledge only that you have avoided the question. (Not that there is any doubt as to what your opinion on it is.)
Btw, I was referring to Religious Zionism, not Secular Zionism which is by definition heresy.April 18, 2016 3:36 am at 3:36 am #1147753147Participant
The “Au Daudau” is coming up on Iyyor 13th in Israel, and Iyyor 20th in Chutz lo’Oretz in Behar.
Until then, I cannot even think of dodo, as this closely reminds me about “Idi Amin Dada”, whom unfortunately I am old enough to remember him only too well, especially vis a vis this tragic hostage taking to Entebbe almost 4 decades ago already.April 18, 2016 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1147754writersoulMember
Antipathy on religious Zionism often comes because people associate it with the issues with secular Zionism. Secular Zionism largely has gone the way of the dodo bird. So RZs are left with a lot of the good parts of Zionism (chibas ha’aretz, frumkeit, etc) without the stigma of all of the issues that happened with secular Zionism (good Lord, the FIFTIES…). Not that there aren’t still things about RZ for people to disagree with, but anyone referencing Herzl when talking about RZ is out of touch. (My grandfather was a huge Zionist who lived in Israel in the fifties and even he agreed that the secular Zionist government did some horrible things.)April 18, 2016 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1147755charliehallParticipant
” there just might be some middle ground between Zionism being the best thing since Matan Torah or the worst thing since the Eigel HaZahav?”
Of course! Most religious Zionist rabbis would fall into that middle place and so would a lot of charedi rabbis.
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