April 30, 2020 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1855359
I’m wondering how all the diehard Trump fans are dealing with his bleach comments.
Is the explanation that bleach helps?
Or maybe he was being sarcastic?
Could it be that we just misunderstood?April 30, 2020 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1855408kollelmanParticipant
Stop listening to fake news. Anyone who heard the comments first-hand, knows that he was asking the doctor if there are other ways to get rid of the virus. The comment regarding the UV internally was based on a recently released video that had come out several days prior to his comments. The media is lying to you. Stop being a sheep.April 30, 2020 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1855407akupermaParticipant
If he was a comedian on late night TV, it would have been considered just another funny joke in poor taste. Consider if Don Rickles held public office and didn’t change in delivery. Only a fool would have thought that was a “straight line”, but unfortunately the media and much of the Democratic party tend to be fools.
Perhaps Americans will decide they prefer a dull politician who never says anything unless it has been reviewed by his handlers as reflecting what the audience wants to here, and about whom we will never know what he really thinks, but at least he won’t insult anyone.April 30, 2020 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1855414☕️coffee addictParticipant
Doing my best
The best and the most easily understood answer is he didn’t suggest it and was just thinking out loudApril 30, 2020 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #18554061Participant
The other choice is Biden. There’s a reason he won in the first place.April 30, 2020 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1855444
DMB what about his bleach comments? He did NOT suggest in any way that people should drink it or inject it. He reported that it kills the virus, and asked, quite reasonably, whether it was possible for doctors to develop some kind of internal treatment using this. That’s a reasonable question, and in fact there ARE studies going on about the internal use of UV light for precisely that purpose.
Those claiming he told people to inject disinfectant, or to drink bleach, are lying Democrat operatives and nothing more. They have no integrity and no shame, and should be shunned by all decent people. The same liars also had the chutzpah to claim that the man who drank fish tank cleaner was somehow Trump’s fault. Now the police are investigating his wife for murder. They also claimed that some guy went on a cruise because of something Sean Hannity would say A WEEK LATER. Really, no shame at all. Democrats will say anything, do anything, to attack the President.April 30, 2020 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1855465
It is beyond belief that a frum person would regurgitate propaganda from the evil anti semetic “msm “:CNN,ap,ny times ECT.April 30, 2020 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1855488rabbigreenspanParticipant
I bet if you ask most people why bleach wouldn’t work they either wouldnt know or would give some vague answer like “it’s lethal.” Well so is chemo and lots of other meds and he was simply thinking out loud that maybe there is a way to modify it and use it. But as normally happens, the media had a collective freakout and the sheeple started walking around as if they had medical degrees talking about trump being unstable because he suggested drinking bleach.April 30, 2020 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1855499Reb EliezerParticipant
חכמים הזהרו בדבריכם a president must be careful what he says or he does not say. People put their trust in him.April 30, 2020 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1855503mattisyahuParticipant
When you say that people are lying about Trump suggesting that people inject disinfectant, what then do you make of his comment the next day admitting that he did deliberately say that (he is on video saying it was deliberate)? Saying others are lying about Trump saying this (and seemingly meaning it) is just dishonest. I get it that you like Trump, but to twist words and lie to paint him favorably is still lying. To say others are lying when they repeated what Trump said is just not right.
As to calling it a reasonable suggestion (i.e. to inject disinfectant), well I don’t think there is anything Trump could say that you would not consider reasonable. It is like a religious obsession. Most others, I think, were rolling their eyes quite hard when he said this.April 30, 2020 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1855507Left BrooklynParticipant
He has people fooled, he is a stable genius.April 30, 2020 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1855509RedlegParticipant
I’m inclined to agree with Coffee Adict That the Pres was just thinking out loud, but it was an inopportune time to do it. Actually President Trump has done a fairly good job overall. His handling of the economy and foreign relations has been quite good. His handling of the current pandemic could have been better ( I give him about a B-) but that’s in hindsight. Anybody can be a Monday morning quarterback. Bear in mind that he has to weigh the response to the disease and the effect on the economy. No one wants to lose more lives, but no one wants the Country to go into the toilet either. President Trump’s problem is that he has no filter. You know that little thing in your head that tells you that maybe you shouldn’t say what you are about to? Well, President Trump hasn’t got one of those.April 30, 2020 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1855555chymeeParticipant
I’m looking forward for the replies to your comment, you ask a very good question which I doubt anyone can answerMay 1, 2020 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1855681
matisyuhu its not that he didnt say it intentionally, its that the democrap anti semetic and anti trump media is twisting and intentionally misinterpreting what he saidMay 1, 2020 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1855688
The transcript: “A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?”
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”
He later clarified his bleach statements: “It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object.”
Ok, so Kollelman, he actually spoke about the UV light at this press briefing. And I didn’t ask my doctor if he could somehow get Lysol into me. I hope you didn’t.
Akuperma, unfortunately his comments were stated very seriously. I wonder if you watched the video yourself?
Redleg and Coffee Addict, he sounded pretty serious, are you sure you watched the whole video? And again, I didn’t think about such things.
1, I have to agree, but I don’t call people who like trump for that reason diehard fans.
Milhouse, you went from “ He did NOT suggest in any way that people should drink it or inject it.” to “in fact there ARE studies going on about the internal use of UV light for precisely that purpose.” And I don’t understand. What are the studies on, bleach or UV lights? The news lying other times is not proof that they are lying now. I saw him say it on video. Unless the video is fake?
Daya Zogger, but I saw it on video. Was it faked?
Rabbi Greenspan, so…. I should use a spray instead? I think you also may have snapped.May 1, 2020 1:16 am at 1:16 am #1855719rabbigreenspanParticipant
If you would read the transcript you just posted you would see that noone suggested doing anything yet. He was thinking out loud if there was a possibility of using a form of disinfectant in a healthy way to combat coronavirus. No mention of ingesting spraying injecting or anything of the sort. Just a simple query that perhaps the professionals look into a way to use it safely. It is typical Trump fashion, like how he spoke about how he would run the military or reform healthcare while he was running for president, and clearly sounded like he was way in over his head.
As Salena Zito famously said about his campaign “The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.” The same rings true here.
As for your thoughts about my sanity………….I’ll leave you in suspenseMay 1, 2020 8:13 am at 8:13 am #1855744ruvainParticipant
The comments speak for themselves. When he said he could shoot somebody on the street and his supporters would still support him, he spoke the truth. When he is caught telling mistruths, the Trumpsters explain it with either:: he never said it, it was fake news, he didnt mean it …he was just joking, he is good for Israel or all of the above.May 1, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1855833golferParticipant
Has trump finally snapped?
He’s been lying and saying ridiculous things for a while.
What snapped is the ability of some people to excuse all his lies and stupidity.
Some not all. As you can see from the comments here.May 1, 2020 11:22 am at 11:22 am #1855855
RE, yes, people put their trust in him. So what? What did he say that could possibly be misunderstood and harm anyone? Nothing he said could possibly be understood as encouraging anyone to ingest or inject disinfectants. Anyone who claims he suggested such a thing, even indirectly, is a damned liar.
Matisyahu, what do I make of his comment the next day? That he was trolling the stupid lying reporters. If they insist on lying about what he said, then he will have fun with them. What he said that day certainly did not sound sarcastic; it sounded serious and it was completely reasonable. If you think it wasn’t, explain why.
DMB, yes, he did NOT suggest in any way that people should drink it or inject it. That is a fact. And yes, there ARE studies going on about the internal use of UV light for precisely that purpose. That is also a fact. What contradiction do you see between these two facts? I’m not aware of any studies currently happening to try to somehow use disinfectants internally, but it was a reasonable thing to speculate about, and there is NO WAY that such speculation could possibly induce anyone to drink the stuff. Anyone who drinks bleach is doing so out of their own stupidity, and anyone who claims they were acting on Trump’s advice is lying, like that fish tank cleaner woman, who is an active Democrat and Trump-hater, and made it up as an excuse to kill her husband.
And no, you shouldn’t use a spray; where on earth did you get that idea? Certainly not from anything Trump said.May 1, 2020 11:23 am at 11:23 am #1855850
The Trump haters have snapped. After 3 and half years of attempting to oust Trump beginning the morning after the election, before he was even in office, utilizing Obama era appointees in the FBI and throughout the government using police and government forces for political means, together with a concerted media efforts to defame and lie about The Donald, ranging from a failed impeachment attempt to a fake impeachment that blew up in their faces, they’ve finally snapped and cracked under the unexpected coronavirus pandemic that made all their previous attempts all but forgotten.May 1, 2020 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #1855906
No, he didn’t say anyone should do it, and I never said that he did. But the fact that he spoke about putting bleach into people shows that there is something off with the way he is thinking. If you can’t understand that, then maybe you’ve been reading the Yated and listening to Rush Limbaugh a little too much. I watched the video. It’s very clear that he was suggesting that we look into putting cleaning agents into people.
People who are in a sane frame of mind do not say that the doctors should look into putting disinfectant into people. And again, reading the transcript is a start, but it still doesn’t give you the ful picture. Go watch the video and then come back to tell me that trump wasn’t seriously suggesting that it might work.
Think three times before you reply to this. If you realize your mistake you don’t have to admit you were wrong, just don’t answer.May 1, 2020 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #1855923
“Trying my best”. Let me explain to you the ways of the world.Everytime the MSM attempt to focus and highlight some thoughtless and silly comment of the Pres ( and yes there plenty) it is not being done in a vacuum.Rather it’s part of a relentless non stop effort to discredit a man they despise.Now we need to ask why do thses left wing organizations hate him so.There are multiple reasons,but around 99% of them surround his support of positions that are terribly offensinve to left wing sensibilities and of extreme importance to us Jews.For example these news orgs take as the 100% truth whatever lying propaganda Iran or Hamas have claimed about Jews and Israel. Trump has acted counter these strong held beliefs.Hence he must be stopped.Trump has promoted religious freedom ,where one is not threatened by govt fiat to conform to modern sensibilities about marriage,gender ect .Hence he must be stopped.Trump has promoted limiting immigration from 3rd world central/south American countries to the US .This demographic is second in the world to Pakistanis in holding strong anti semetic positions ie. Ilhan Omar.Hence he must be stopped.The list goes on and on.That said realize that everyone you jump on the demean Trump bandwagon you are doing the bidding of our mortal enemies.Obviously no one is beyond reproach,but one needs to be vigilant and judicious to the extreme when criticizing the President.I realize a lot of people feel sophisticated and sauve not aligning with the an uncouth man,but the issues at hand many involving our safety, freedom and that of Israel are just not worth it.May 1, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1855968
Unfortunately the topic of this thread is president Trumps comments, not the media’s bias. If you would like to talk about the media maybe start a separate thread on that topic.
There is a clear video which was not faked, showing trump saying something which undeniably sounds like something a crackpot may have said. Therefore I asked how diehard Trump fans are dealing with it. That doesn’t mean I generally agree with MSM.
I am unsure what prompted your diatribe about MSM.May 1, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1855974
People who are in a sane frame of mind do not say that the doctors should look into putting disinfectant into people.
Why on earth not? It’s a perfectly reasonable idea to suggest as a direction for research.May 1, 2020 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1856021
Dear Trying,if your comments about the President and drinking bleach we’re promted by your own taking the time to view the daily briefing than my diatribe was somewhat misplaced.However if it was known to you the same way it was to me, through multiple MSM blaring headlines,than I stand by my point that you are unwittingly playing into the hands of of truly evil people that hate us passionately.May 1, 2020 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1856007
Joseph and millhouse you are completely right yasher koach!!!
those stupid people believe the democrat media, their brainwashed, good job trying to knock some sense in their heads !!!!
Please watch you languageMay 3, 2020 7:40 am at 7:40 am #1856152
I do not get my news from nonjewish sites. That’s why after seeing trump make the bleach comments I was amazed that none of the Jewish sites really mentioned It.
But on a separate topic, I don’t understand what you said by “ I stand by my point that you are unwittingly playing into the hands of of truly evil people that hate us passionately.” Why do you think you are any better than them? They report the facts that play into their agenda and you apparently do the same thing. If I saw trump saying something crazy on video why don’t you like that I wrote about it? Is it true that trump said it or not? They report the facts that they like and you only allow reporting facts that you like. So please explain to me, what’s the difference? Is it that you think your opinions are better?May 3, 2020 9:04 am at 9:04 am #1856225
doing my best: here is what he said, and i let you judge if he encouraged people to drink bleach or other disinfectants like the democrat fake news media wants you to believe!!!
“Question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it,” Trump said, looking over to Bryan.
“And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?”
He continued: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number, so it will be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors. But it sounds, it sounds interesting to me. So we’ll see.
“But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s, that’s pretty powerful.”May 3, 2020 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1856280
I already posted the transcript earlier. I also watched the video. Why can’t you guys just face it, before trump made his comments, if you would’ve heard someone saying those things you would have called him a crackpot, now it actually makes perfect sense.
Ok, I think I’m done here unless I see a point that makes half sense.May 3, 2020 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1856291
Trying, your question is the א,ב of discussing media bias.Any individual especially an orthodox Frum one or a news site billing itself as yeshiva news is openly acknowledging it’s bias and agenda.The intended audience is fully aware of that and process accordingly .This also results in some self censorship as we don’t discuss things viewed as nivul peh ( ie.the current Joe Biden situation והמבין יבין) or report verbatim lies and canards that threaten our well being.The great harm that is caused by the evil NY times,CNN ECT is that they portray themselves as unbiased journalists just reporting the facts and truth.This gives them the dangerous power to influence opinion and policy.(I’ve been in Israel where they have had to crtail actions agains terrorists due to lying Hezbollah propagand printed as fact in the MSM)In truth the MSM actively and aggressively push an anti religious, genocidal anti Israel and specificly anti semetic agenda.(Do you know that Biden is meeting with Al sharpton today,he with Jewish blood on his hands!?) Perhaps the greatest achievement of the Trump presidency has been his unwavering attempts to highlight the agenda,lies and biases of the MSM.Us Jews who dispaportianly suffer from these evil outlets stand to benefit the most the more they are discredited.Thus we need to be on the front line of joining in the efforts to mitigate the MSM influence.May 4, 2020 11:25 am at 11:25 am #1856708hujuParticipant
Re: akuperma’s first comment. Please explain to me, and to the US president, the difference between (i) a stand-up comic, and (ii) the president of the US.
And FYI, bleach tastes terrible, but Lysol is delicious.May 4, 2020 11:25 am at 11:25 am #1856709hujuParticipant
Trump never snapped. It’s just that he never learned anything after the fourth grade.
His parents must have had those safety locks on the cabinets where they kept the household cleaners.May 4, 2020 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1857003
doing my best: im not sure whats so crazy about suggesting that possibly a chemical from a disinfectant can help cure covid 19??? makes sense to me, please tell me why it doesnt make sense to you !
and to huju: if trump never got more then a 4th grade education then he must be a genius, because unless your a genius you cant become a billionaire business man , especially if you dont have an education!!!
#vote4trump2020 KEEP AMERICA GREATMay 6, 2020 9:34 am at 9:34 am #1857609charliehallParticipant
“makes sense to me”
Stop drinking the Clorox.May 6, 2020 9:56 am at 9:56 am #1857631
The facts are simple: What he said was perfectly sensible and logical, and the only way to make it sound crazy is to LIE about it and insinuate that he suggested people drink disinfectant, or inject themselves with it, and that since his supporters are stupid some of them will do it and their blood will be on his hands. So naturally that is exactly what those Democrats with bylines who call themselves “journalists” did. And the dishonest Democrat operatives here repeated that lie.
There is no such thing as an honest Democrat. Anywhere.May 6, 2020 10:20 am at 10:20 am #1857643
“because unless your a genius you cant become a billionaire business man , especially if you dont have an education!!!”
Sure you can Here are a few ways:
1) all you have to do is inherit your money from your father. Make a series of bad deals to turn what should have been 100’s of billions into a “mere” billions.
2) Keep your tax records super private breaking with tradition. go to court if you have to to keep them super secret . Hype yourself up so nobody knows what you are actually worth and act like a cartoon hobo’s version of a rich guy wouldMay 6, 2020 11:42 am at 11:42 am #1857674
Ubiq: Donald Trump is far far wealthier than his father ever was. His inheritance, whatever it was, wouldn’t on its own magically grow hundred-fold, as it has.May 6, 2020 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1857693
“The facts are simple: What he said was perfectly sensible and logical,”
Even Trump says he was being “sarcastic” but his blind followers still bend reality
Trump said it best ” I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” (perhaps his one truthful statement )May 6, 2020 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #1857726
” His inheritance, whatever it was, wouldn’t on its own magically grow hundred-fold, as it has.”
No not by magic see ” Donald Trump Would Be Richer If He’d Have Invested in Index Funds BY CLAIRE GRODEN ”May 6, 2020 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1857784
What part of the following is not a man asking/telling a doctor if injecting bleach/Purcell/etc will kill a disease?
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that“
if I walk into the doctors office and ask him if injecting bleach into my arm/any other body part will cure my strep, he would think I’m crazy. So why is trump any different? Just because a liar says something, it doesn’t prove it not true. You have to investigate for yourself if it’s actually true or not. From the comments posted here it seems that many posters did not bother watching the video or even see the transcript before explaining what trump meant. Which is just plain stupid.May 6, 2020 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #1857797
Although you went totally off topic, I looked up that article and I’m surprised that you would reference that. The authors calculation started from 1988 when trump was worth a billion dollars (assuming the article has the right numbers). But it doesn’t even mention that trump managed to grow his first one/few million dollars into that billion. But aside from that you’re right. Trump is a terrible business man.
I read his “art of the deal”, and aside from the amazing amount of gaiva displayed there, I noticed that he seems to be terrified of anything he can’t control, an example of that being the stock market. (And Corona). That would explain why he always stuck to “deals” which he has a decent track record of successes.May 6, 2020 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1858062
Joseph: Ubiq: Donald Trump is far far wealthier than his father ever was. His inheritance, whatever it was, wouldn’t on its own magically grow hundred-fold, as it has.
Joseph, ubiquitin is right on this one. Had he simply put his inheritance in index funds and spent the intervening 25 years doing nothing, it would have automatically grown to more than he has now.
His major achievement has been to make himself famous for being wealthy, and then turn that fame into a source of wealth. Essentially he was a Kardashian before anyone ever heard of the Katdashians.May 6, 2020 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1858063
Ubiquitin: “The facts are simple: What he said was perfectly sensible and logical,”
Even Trump says he was being “sarcastic” but his blind followers still bend reality
Come on, you ought to know better than that. Suddenly when he says he was being “sarcastic” you expect everyone to believe him?! I am nobody’s “blind follower”, and few of Trump’s supporters are blind followers.
When he suggested that doctors might explore some way to put the power of disinfectants to some internal use he was being serious. When he later said he had been sarcastic he was mesing with the stupid lying reporters.May 7, 2020 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1858082
No, doing my best, it is not at all crazy to suggest that medical researchers investigate some method of applying the power of disinfectants or UV light internally. And in fact with regard to UV light that is a very serious possibility. With disinfectants maybe not, but it’s a fair question to ask.
The LIE is that he ever suggested, or could have been understood to suggest, that people attempt the internal use of disinfectants, whether by injection or ingestion or any other method. He simply didn’t, and the hundreds of “reporters” who either insinuated or outright said that he had done so were deliberately lying. So were those who invented out of whole cloth a claim that his words have led to people actually doing so, thus causing an increase in calls to poison control. There was no such spike, and there is not a single known case of anyone trying it.May 7, 2020 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1858083
DMB, he didn’t start with “one/few million dollars”. That is merely the amount his father deliberately “lost” at his casino on one occasion, as a means of bailing him out from a jam he’d got himself into. The inheritance he left him was far larger that that.
It also helps if you develop a habit of stiffing suppliers and contractors.
And according to the ghost writer, Trump did not write a word of The Art of the Deal.May 7, 2020 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1858088
Milhouse: I don’t see how you can make that statement without even knowing how much he inherited; and that’s something that isn’t public information.May 7, 2020 1:14 am at 1:14 am #1858110
YOUR STUPID IF YOU THINK its illogical/crazy to suggest some chemicals from a disinfectant can help cure a disease!!May 7, 2020 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1858452
Read this 5 times, if you still don’t understand then read it again.
“is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside”
Ok, now I assume you realize that trump did suggest to a scientist trying to inject cleaning supplies.
For those who agree with the above but think it’s ok to inject Lysol into yourself, have a good day.
I think I’m done here. It was definitely entertaining to see how far pro-trump blindness can go. LolMay 15, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1860981Reb EliezerParticipantMay 15, 2020 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1860990GadolhadorahParticipant
Do any of these tests also provide any measure of “hinged” versus “unhinged”??
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