October 21, 2010 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #592724real-briskerMember
I recently was in the supermarket looking to buy wraps. I found one with a valid hasgocha on it, it also said that the brocha is mezones. I have two questions – A) Does this mean that thw rav hamachsir is the one saying its mezonos, or is it the bal habus that owns the company. (included in shailo A is all products that besides for if the ingredients are koseher there are problems like, yayin nesech on a natrul grape product… So just because it has a OU does it mean its not yayin nesech?) B) Also I happen to know hilchos brochos abit and Its pretty clear that if you are being kovaia seudah even if the substance is made out of apple juice you should be making a homotzie. So lihuneach the bal hachshir is the one stating the product is mezonos. So now that I am disagreeing with him legabey the brocha, does it mean I cant turst his hechser because kilapi me hse doeent know halacha.October 21, 2010 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #702599apushatayidParticipant
Regarding the first part of your question, the logical thing to do is call both the company selling the product and/or the hashgacha and ask them who is the author of that statement. In reference to part b of the question, that’s something you have to take up with the author of the statement.
Regarding ou and grape products, they specifically discuss this on their website ou.org and the short answer is, if it has an ou then all halachos involved not just “kashrus of the ingredients” are taken into consideration. You may ultimately disagree with their psak, but that’s a different discussion (akin to your shayla regarding the pita and kvias seudah).
Does the neemanus of someone take a hit because you disagree in a halacha regarding kvias seudah? Not saying you shouldn’t look into the shittos of the hechsher, perhaps they pasken in areas of kashrus of ingredients or bishul etc differently then you would at home. Verifying standards shouldn’t be triggered by statements regarding a bracha though, imho that is caveat emptor number 1 when it comes to a hechsher.October 21, 2010 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #702600bombmaniacParticipant
b’pashtus his neemanus is still intact. it would seem the same as someone who is makpid on yoshon, or chalav yisrael trusting someone who isnt to serve him food that is yoshon or chalav yisrael.October 21, 2010 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #702601hello99Participant
why are ther 2 identical threads? can they be merged???October 21, 2010 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #702602chesednameParticipant
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the fact it says mezonos doesn’t mean the rav is agreeing with it, although if they had any seichal or guts they would pull the hechsher, for false and misleading information.
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