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  • #2092577
    tunaisafish
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    Hahsem Lit. means the name. why? whats wrong with riboinoi shel oilom, melech haolom, melech malchaim hamlochim, havaye? why the name. i feel like im missing some basic knoledge behind that

    #2092775
    ujm
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    Hashem has 72 names.

    As far a referring to Him, as you cannot call Him by his name outside of Tefila, there’s

    Hashem
    Aibeshter
    Ribono Shel Olam
    Bashefer
    Hakodesh Boruch Hu
    Tatte
    Gutt

    and a number of others.

    #2092789
    Reb Eliezer
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    The gemora says that we cannot call Him anything by ourselves as we might be diminishing in His greatness by emphasizing this and not something else. We say on Yamim Naraim לנורא תהלות where they explain, the One we are afraid to praise. We say מלך מהלל בתשבחות, He is praised through His praise by being careful how we praise Him.

    #2092795
    Reb Eliezer
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    I don’t know that He has 72 names but a name with 72 letters. Also a gematria of 72 by writing as
    יוד -הי -ויו – הי.

    #2092802
    Yabia Omer
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    Some Sefardim refer to Hashem as Allah.

    Also, I once read a teshuva that said that it is unnecessary to say thinks like Elokim (with a K) etc. because when people say it, it is usually a form of praise, so it isn’t Lashav. Like Tzur Mishelo, we say “Kidvar Hashem” but the whole song is a type of praise/Tefila.

    #2092821
    ujm
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    All-h simply has the same meaning as G-d.

    When the shochtim in Eretz Yisroel shechted meat for the Arabs, they’d make a Brocha using the name All-h.

    #2092841
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Kitzur Shulchan says to say Hashem and not Adoshem which has no meaning. When we referred to Hashem in Hungary, we said Hashem Yisborach as indicated in the Sefer Hachasidim based on the pasuk זכר צדיק לברכה. The Rosh for this reason instituted to say, ברוך הוא וברוך שמו.

    #2092847
    Yabia Omer
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    Yes Baruch Hu uvaruch shmo is not Dina degemora. It’s a relatively recent thing.

    #2092891
    AviraDeArah
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    Yabia – referencing Hashem isn’t always in the context of shiros and praises. Many times it’s a statement, like saying “Hashem runs the world”. Also, when saying zemiros, many don’t say any of Hashem’s names because al pi halacha you have to have kavanah when you say it.

    Was this teshuva trying to justify what chilonim do in Israel, where elokim just is used instead of “God”? Sounds like it was. It doesn’t hold water.

    #2093249
    Yabia Omer
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    Who is Avira to say that this Teshuva doesn’t hold water? Besides it wasn’t written in relation to Chilonim at all but rather how shiros/zemiros are considered dvarim shebakedusha so there is room to be matir saying Elo.. and Ado. Even if you say Ado…runs the world, is that “lashav”? You are mamlich Hashem, you are praising him.

    #2093294
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Chayah Adam in Kelal 5 says that Hashem’s name can be uttered provided it makes sense for praising Him even a half a pasuk.

    #2093364
    Yabia Omer
    Participant

    So why do I hear so many people saying Hashem in FULL pesukim??

    #2093379
    jackk
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    אִם־לֹ֨א תִשְׁמֹ֜ר לַעֲשׂ֗וֹת אֶת־כָּל־דִּבְרֵי֙ הַתּוֹרָ֣ה הַזֹּ֔את הַכְּתוּבִ֖ים בַּסֵּ֣פֶר הַזֶּ֑ה לְ֠יִרְאָה אֶת־הַשֵּׁ֞ם הַנִּכְבָּ֤ד וְהַנּוֹרָא֙ הַזֶּ֔ה

    #2093393
    AviraDeArah
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    Yabia, I’m pretty sure kavanah isn’t required when saying pesukim with Hashem’s name. I will imyh look into it.

    #2094834
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Ujm,

    Also, Gutt is the same as God. ???

    #2094850
    yungermanS
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    We say Hashem for the name cause Hashems real name Shaim Hameforesh is too holy to be said to the point that if someone says it God forbid even by accident he’s due for the punishment of Death from Bais Din.

    Fear Hashem and his holy name 24-7

    #2094913
    Reb Eliezer
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    זה שמי לעולם זה זכרי לדור ודדור – לא שאני כותב אני קורא This pasuk tells us that Hashem is written differently than read. The holy Zohar says that Hashem’s name is divided into two parts י-ה adds up to 15 and ו-ה adds up to 11. When we take שמי adding up to 350 plus 15 is 365 לא תעשה, negative mitzvos and זכרי adding up to 247 plus 11 is 248 עשה, positive mitzvos together 613 mitzvos. This is reflected in the binging of tzitzis adding up to Hashem Echad, 7 plus 8 = 15 plus 11 = 26 plus 13 gematria Hashem Echad, Hashem (is) One.

    #2094914
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says that one who pronounces Hashem as written has no part in the next world.

    #2095044
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Tuna,

    Names are how we associate traits with beings. Without names, it would be impossible to categorize anything. Try to list four legged creatures, without using their names! How much more so when trying to attach mental or emotional concepts to a particular existence. Once we give everything a word or a name, we instantly realize that this word or name includes all it’s attributes. So when we use the word ‘mouse’ we have all kinds ideas of mouse-like attributes. We still know what the creature is, but we refer to it by that word to encompass all of it’s attributes.

    But we have no concept of what Hashem is. We can’t comprehend how he functions. All the titles you listed only reference an attribute that we can understand and relate to ourselves on the smallest scale. So none of those can ever refer to Him. Only The Name.

    #2095082
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Hashem can mean His Reputation from which we know Him.

    #2095090
    Reb Eliezer
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    The gemora in Megila says that they reversed it to Yanai Hamelech as אלקים ברא באשית not so say that somehow bereishis created. The Baal Akedah asks, so why does not say so? He answers that Hashem’s existence was not known. We come to realize from bereishis, the Torah, the Jews passing it on to each other and boro, through His creations, the existence of Elokim.

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    #2095117
    Reb Eliezer
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    The way Hashem is written is midas harachamim and read as midas hadin. Midas harachamim emanates from midas hadin as the world was originally created with midas hadin by realizing that Hashem is Master of the whole world and He is the only One who can have mercy on us then we can ask to have mercy on us. If we start with midas harachamim then we might think we can do anything as a father will forgive us. Therefore the two are combined into one. This is reflected in Amen having the gematria, 91 which is the combination of the two. The word sukkah also reflects this as the midas harachamim in the middle (26) breaks up the midas hadin around it (65) and it is hidden in the midas hadin.

    #2095157
    Reb Eliezer
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    When we call ourselves Hashem by one attribute we are diminishing another attribute.

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