January 17, 2017 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #619037Shopping613 🌠Participant
Just felt this had to be said.January 17, 2017 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1209664
Yeah!!! + 1 million.
Check out Ari Goldwag’s music video.January 18, 2017 12:17 am at 12:17 am #1209665baisyaakovliberalParticipant
It definitely has to be said. Thanks 🙂January 18, 2017 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1209667
Ummmm…so I am going to rain on the parade here.
Isn’t “Hashem/G-d loves you” a very nonTorah perspective?
That’s what I learned. Hashem doesn’t necessarily love us.
We have a mission here. We are needed in this world (not the same as Hashem needs us because He doesn’t need anything but we are still needed in a different way by Hashem).
I literally drive by billboards that say “Gd loves you” paid for by XX.XXFM Radio, the nonJewish radio station.
It is nice to feel loved by Hashem. Everyone loves love and needs love.
Still the whole Hashem loves you thing imho and from what I learned from rabbonim is that is not a Jewish teaching or saying.
Okay clear skies nowJanuary 18, 2017 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1209668
LB – as far as I know it is a Jewish thing. There are certainly many, many Psukim that talk about how Hashem loves us. I’m not sure where they are off-hand and can’t look right now, but I’m sure there are many posters here who can bring them.
There is actually a song running through my head. something about “ahavti eschem amar Hashem…” not sure, but I’m sure s.o. here knows what I’m talking about.
And I’m pretty sure Chovos Halevavos, shaar habitachon talks about how Hashem loves us and everything He does for us is out of love for us.January 18, 2017 2:16 am at 2:16 am #1209669
“ahavti eschem amar Hashem…”
It’s a b’feirush’e Avraham Fried song.January 18, 2017 2:28 am at 2:28 am #1209670
Wow. I was thinking of his brother Rabbi Manis Friedman, shlita’s, talk where he shares the story about visiting a depressed boy.
Everyone was telling the boy that they love him and Hashem loves him.
Then Rabbi Friedman came in and said not to listen to that stuff. Having Hashem love him didn’t make a difference and may not necessarily be true. The truth is that Hashem needs him in this world. He is needed for his unique neshamah which is way greater than love.
It’s def possible that both are true. Honestly though I hear “G[o]d loves you” way more from people who aren’t Jewish and are typically Christian. Of course, Christianity is based off of Jewish teachings.
I guess that hearing it here can balance things out so that it’s associated with Judaism too.
Thank youJanuary 18, 2017 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1209671
DY – lol, thanks.
LB – I think Avraham Fried got it from a passuk (or perhaps a Medrash). There are definitely many Psukim about how Hashem loves us. If no one else posts sources, I will try to do so another time, b”n.January 18, 2017 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1209672
It is referring to Klal Yisroel as a whole.January 18, 2017 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1209673
Well if He loves Am Yisrael as a whole, He also loves each one of us.January 18, 2017 4:04 am at 4:04 am #1209674
Thanks for posting the linkJanuary 18, 2017 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1209675
Well if He loves Am Yisrael as a whole, He also loves each one of us.
That does not follow logically.
I might like a certain restaurant, but not all items on the menu.January 18, 2017 4:16 am at 4:16 am #1209676
Particularly, I think if a person acts in a way which excludes himself from klal Yisroel, that pasuk would not apply.January 18, 2017 4:24 am at 4:24 am #1209677
That’s true in general, but in this case, I don’t think it’s true (which is what I meant). A restaurant does not = all the food in the restaurant, but I think that Am Yisrael does refer to all the people in Am Yisrael. If Hashem loves Am Yisrael, it is because He loves the people in Am Yisrael.
Part of the difference lies in the fact that Hashem’s loving something/someone is different than a human’s love which is based on subjectivity and whims. So a person can love a restaurant without loving each part of it. Hashem’s love is real and complete, so if He loves Am Yisrael, He loves each part of Am Yisrael. And Am Yisrael is the people of Am Yisrael. They are one and the same. You can’t separate the two.
So there are two differences: 1. A restaurant does not = all the food on the menu. 2. Hashem’s love is different than a person’s love.
At least that’s how I see it. But I would be interested in seeing what the mefarshim say, if I ever have a chance.January 18, 2017 4:42 am at 4:42 am #1209678
but I think that Am Yisrael does refer to all the people in Am Yisrael.
Why?January 18, 2017 4:50 am at 4:50 am #1209679January 18, 2017 6:49 am at 6:49 am #1209680WinnieThePoohParticipant
To support what Lilmod said that am yisroel means all of am yisroel, I would suggest that since Hashem is total Emes, then anything He says has to be pure, complete truth. If “Ahavti Eschem” meant am yisroel as a whole but not every individual, I think that the statement would not be 100% true. But that cannot be, since Hashem is 100% emes. besides, we say that even a sinner is part of am yisroel (except maybe a total kofer), so he would be included in the eschem.
That said, I too am a bit bothered by using “Hashem loves you” as a slogan because it reminds me of other versions of this statement put out by other religions, but keep in mind, that the statement is not meant to stand alone and mean that because of that we are absolved of all our sins and everything is great, but rather Hashem loving us means that we are obligated to prove that love and live by His Torah.January 18, 2017 7:01 am at 7:01 am #1209681
WTP: “That said, I too am a bit bothered by using “Hashem loves you” as a slogan because it reminds me of other versions of this statement put out by other religions”
This could be the answer to what LB wrote earlier:
“It’s def possible that both are true. Honestly though I hear “G[o]d loves you” way more from people who aren’t Jewish and are typically Christian. Of course, Christianity is based off of Jewish teachings.”
The goyim took it from us. But it’s possible that once they started using it or overusing it or misusing it, Yidden were reluctant to use it as much. Which may or may not be a good thing. It might not have been something that was done deliberately or consciously – just an automatic reaction, perhaps.January 18, 2017 8:06 am at 8:06 am #1209682Shraga18Participant
Mi Yodea has a question titled “Are there any scriptural sources that Hashem loves each Jew individually?”
The accepted answer there is as follows:
G-d’s counting of the Jewish people expresses his love for the individual Jew (since counting emphasizes the importance of the individual unit. Were the individual unit not important, there would be no need to count). Rashi (Shemot 1:1) says:
And these are the names of the sons of Israel: Although [God] counted them in their lifetime by their names (Gen. 46:8-27), He counted them again after their death, to let us know how precious they are [to Him], because they were likened to the stars, which He takes out [From beyond the horizon] and brings in by number and by name, as it is said: who takes out their host by number; all of them He calls by name (Isa. 40:26). [From Tanchuma Buber, Shemot 2; Exod. Rabbah 1:3]
Rashi (Bamidbar 1:1) says that because G-d loves the Jewish people he counts them all the time.January 18, 2017 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #1209683It is Time for TruthParticipant
Yes He does.
However he also has a world to runJanuary 18, 2017 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1209684NechomahParticipant
LB, just want to add the point that Hashem does not NEED anything. He is perfect and complete just the way He is. He created us to benefit us, gave us everything for our good and does everything because He loves us and wants for us to have good. This boy you are referring to may not have benefited from hearing these ideas, as he was seemingly resistant to them and was still depressed and another angle was needed to try to bring him out of his depression. I think you will find many contradictions to what was said in that talk, but it may have had its use for that specific case only, not to be extrapolated to all Yidden.January 18, 2017 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1209685misteryudiParticipant
I don’t see how anyone could possibly think Hashem doesn’t love each and every one of us. He provides us with everything we need, including basic things like the ability to breathe, see, eat, and think, every second of our lives, and yet we do so little, if anything, in return.
The ONLY way for such a one-sided relationship to exist is for Hashem to love each of us, unconditionally, with the type of love that a parent has for a child.
So yes. Hashem loves you.January 18, 2017 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1209686Shopping613 🌠Participant
Hashem is constantly referred in the sense of he is a father to us. He is the one who created you. What person does not love their son to death?? Or love something they made? This is the most basic answer I can give you. Hashem loves you so incredibly much, a billion times more than any other human being. If you do not see that I think you go should go talk to someone about it, and perhaps there is a reason you are resisting the idea.January 18, 2017 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1209687
All the theories are nice, and I’m sure Hashem loves the vast majority of us, but there are p’sukim which clearly say that are certain types of people who Hashem hates.
Just make sure you’re not one of those, and Hashem will love you.January 18, 2017 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1209688Geordie613Participant
(The pasuk from Malachi is read as the haftarah of parshas Toldos.)
I think we need to just read the next few pesukim to understand this inyan. The Novi is saying, that Hashem loves us as a nation, but we have turned away from Him. “If I am your Father, where is My respect; if I am your Master, where is My fear?”.
Maybe the pshat is, that Hashem loves us despite the fact that we have turned away. Like a father whose child has strayed, He constantly waits for us to return.January 19, 2017 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1209689
“All the theories are nice, and I’m sure Hashem loves the vast majority of us, but there are p’sukim which clearly say that are certain types of people who Hashem hates.
Just make sure you’re not one of those, and Hashem will love you.”
DY, you’re not really arguing with the idea that Hashem loves each individual Jew or that when it says Hashem loves Am Yisrael it means the people in Am Yisrael. You are simply saying that there are exceptions.
I don’t think that is a stira to the concept that I and others were saying. My point was not that there can’t be exceptions.
I think that Hashem loves all Jews and all people. It is possible that there are exceptions. I actually think there aren’t based on different things that I have learned over the years, but it’s ?”?, I would have to do research and look for sources, and that’s not something I have time for right now.
But the basic idea remains the same:
Hashem loves you, Lightbrite, and Shopping, and Lilmod, and DY, and Winnie the Pooh, and Nechomah, and Geordie, and It is Time for Truth, and Bais Yaakov Liberal, and Shraga,and probably everyone else in Am Yisrael as well!January 19, 2017 4:45 am at 4:45 am #1209690
LU +Every spark of every soul but not counting people and maybe the letters of the Torah instead with Hashem knows how many
Thank you so nice of you 🙂
Yes. Love to all. Love to Mods too <3January 19, 2017 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #1209691It is Time for TruthParticipant
And since all of us here are supposed to “Follow in his Ways”January 19, 2017 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1209692yytzParticipant
The idea that Hashem loves every Jew is certainly expressed in some seforim. For example, see here in Likutei Moharan:
“God takes pride even in the most insignificant Jew, even in the sinners of Israel, so long as they go by the name Jew. There is a special pride which God takes in each individual Jew. One should therefore never despair of God’s help regardless of any wrong one may have done. God’s love for him will never cease, and he can still return to God.”
And here is something from Matanas Chelko, a commentary on Chovos Halevavos, making clear each person should believe Hashem loves him:
“Certainly, without strong trust in his father, that his father worries for him and loves him, he would never have jumped thereby placing himself in danger of falling to the floor. His trust in his father is so great that he jumps to his hands. Likewise, for a man’s trust in G-d, he must jump into the hands of G-d and trust in Him that He cares for him and loves him just like a father’s love for his child.”January 19, 2017 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1209693
YYTZ – thanks! +1 million.
Do you have the exact source in the Lekutei Moharan?January 20, 2017 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1209694yytzParticipant
You’re welcome! I think the exact source is I:17, but if you google the phrase you’ll go to a translation of Likutei Eitzot, which cites it.
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