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    square root of 2
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    A typical hashgach pratis goes something like this:

    Mr. A. had a broken leg and was thoroughly upset about it. It hurt him, it made getting anywhere a huge hassle, and there were large expenses not covered by insurance. (Depending on the story, perhaps he starts questioning his emunah or perhaps he complains loudly about it, or we just skip to the punchline.)

    One day, because of his broken foot, getting to work takes much longer than usual and he’s sweating buckets and very upset because he’s supposed to meet an important client. He finally arrives at his office, which is located on the hundredth floor of the World Trade Center, and that day was 9/11/01, and he sees everyone running, and fire trucks zooming, and pulls someone over to the side and asks, “What’s going on?”

    “Didn’t you hear?” the person replies, barely breaking stride. “A plane crashed into the Tower and it’s falling down.”

    And as Mr. A. runs away, he realizes what a b’racha his broken foot really is, because had he been at work on time…

    So you heard that story a hundred times already. This one happens to be fictitious, but you know of a thousand others which really happened.

    Now here’s what I don’t understand. Mr. A. was plagued by the question of “Why does Hashem do this to me??!!” And the answer seems to be “to save him from death.”

    Now, believing that Hashem is kol yochol and able to save Mr. A. in many ways other than breaking his foot, how was Mr. A.’s question answered?

    #1134185

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    See, the next step is to have emunah that just as the benefit of missing the appointment was visibly for his benefit, the pain and suffering, although not visibly so, was also to his benefit.

    A man who was not yet frum told Rav Noach Weinberg zt”l that he knows Hashem loves him even though he doesn’t follow the Torah, because his motorcycle once went over a cliff, and Hashem saved him.

    Rav Noach responded, “Who do you think pushed you off the cliff!?”

    #1134186

    👑RebYidd23
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    What about all the people who were on the plane that crashed?

    #1134187

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Also hashgacha pratis.

    #1134188

    akuperma
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    as if something is this world isn’t hashgacha pratis?

    #1134189

    👑RebYidd23
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    The story seems to imply that hashgacha pratis is because he wasn’t there.

    #1134190

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    So?

    #1134191

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    But others were.

    #1134192

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1134193

    square root of 2
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    daas yochid, so the point of telling such stories is basically only to prove that missing the meeting was for his good, but it doesn’t directly answer his broken foot?

    #1134194

    The point of these stories is to show an instance in which you can see the point of what happened. A story consisting of “a man broke his foot” would not allow you to see the point, so we don’t tell such stories.

    #1134195

    square root of 2
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    On a related note, sometimes people will point out a sick person who has it so hard, etc. and say “we have to be thankful to Hashem that our hands, feet, lungs…etc. function properly and we don’t have these problems.”

    Am I wrong in assuming that’s incorrect? People with problems have them because that’s their nisayon, (or maybe a punishment, in some cases.) That’s not the way it’s supposed to be in all cases. I feel it’s like saying you have to thank someone because they didn’t punch you in the nose. Of course, if Hashem would inflict someone with a problem, it would be bidin, as opposed to a jerk who punches you, but if he doesn’t, it’s because we in our situation are not supposed to have that issue, so why must we thank him for that?

    #1134196

    outreach613
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    square root of 2 – Of-course Hashem could have saved him without him having to hurt is foot but maybe him experiencing the foot pain was the very thing that earned him the merit to be saved on that fateful day.

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