December 2, 2012 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #607210blackhatwannabeParticipant
Should one wear his hat brim up or down? Also, Why do some people wear their hat all the way in the back of their head and some people wear it down covering their hair to their forehead?December 2, 2012 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #911229ChortkovParticipant
The normal way is to wear it down; Yeshiva bochurim [students] often wear it bent up and back – it is more comfortable and don’t carish…December 2, 2012 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #911230shmoelMember
It should be work brim down, hat down over forehead.
Brim up and/or leaning towads the back of the head is a cool stud style not a Ben Torah style.December 3, 2012 12:39 am at 12:39 am #911231shmendrickMember
Rashi has one pshat in this gemorah, but Tosfos explains the Gemara differently:
Furthermore, as with all situations of ohel, if the brim is less than a tefach wide, no concern of ohel exists. Howver, the style today is to wear wide brim hats!
Therefore, when the wide brim is up, there is usually no ohel of a tefach, however when the brim is down, there is a concern. Wearing the hat back may also avoid the concern of ohel. Thus brim up and hat back is how yeshivish bochurim wear their hats. THIS IS A LIMUD ZCHUS ON THEM (rather than the alternative that they are poshut azei metzach and ballei ga’aveh)!!
BTW- this might be why some chassidim wear spodeks rather than shtreimels. The spodek has no protrusion and therefore no ohel, while the shteimel protrudes and is like a brim of a hat.December 3, 2012 12:41 am at 12:41 am #911232chassidishY.U.typeMember
Depends if it’s an up-hat or a down-hat. But why wear a hat at all? Are you Italian?December 3, 2012 1:42 am at 1:42 am #911233rebdonielMember
Who decides what a “ben torah” wears? The Chofetz Chaim wore overalls.December 3, 2012 3:04 am at 3:04 am #911234syeshivaMember
Really according to Halacha you must cut off the brim and then hang it on the wall as an ornament.December 3, 2012 3:26 am at 3:26 am #911235major guyMember
well i learned that you hang up the crownDecember 3, 2012 4:16 am at 4:16 am #911236
From a Dirshu insert in a Jewish magazine: Once Moshiach convinces us that he knows Shas, no one will worry what type of hat he wears.
Certainly they will not worry how he wears it. So wear the hat you choose the way you feel most comfortable. Your head will appreciate that and will retain knowledge best.December 3, 2012 6:58 am at 6:58 am #911237WIYMember
Its not so simple. The point of the hat by Davening is to look dignified. Not like a sloppy person or as a way to look cool or yeshivish-cool or whatever statement they make with the way they wear it. Personally, I feel more like a mentsch since I started folding it down.December 3, 2012 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #911238ToiParticipant
rebd- your posts are ridiculously inflammatory, besides being clearly amaratzish. maybe go away?December 4, 2012 2:16 am at 2:16 am #911239
Most of us do not spend most of our time davening and need to be reasonably comfortable as we pursue what we hope will be solid accomplishments.
But you are right: Those who cannot maintain a dignified appearance at all times must never represent themselves as full time Torah learners. From early on I knew I could never maintain a dignified appearance at all times. I went into a profession where being sharply dressed is not important.
For the short time each day that we daven, all of us must maintain dress standards that vary from community to community.December 4, 2012 4:23 am at 4:23 am #911240yehudayonaParticipant
I have been told that a sombrero is an ohel. Therefore I don’t wear a sombrero on Shabbos or Shabbat.December 4, 2012 5:22 am at 5:22 am #911241
Succos comes to mind with the Ohel issue, especially if the area under the hat is big enough for a Succah!!!
We are not talking about 7 by 7 tefachim, but 4 by 4 amos according to Rabbi Yehudah of the Mishnah.
Some hats have rims wide enough that aircraft can land on them!!!December 4, 2012 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #911242twistedParticipant
bring back the Bowler (derby) to be yoytze up, down, and no ohel issue.December 4, 2012 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #911243This name is already takenParticipant
I think I like the wavy brim the bestDecember 5, 2012 2:57 am at 2:57 am #911244syeshivaMember
It is really not right and is ona’as devarim to make fun of a forum like that. Maybe you should think before posting, because things you write on the internet you cannot take back.December 5, 2012 5:30 am at 5:30 am #911245WIYMember
They are also more dignified than a borslino et al.December 5, 2012 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #911246ZeesKiteParticipant
I think a hat is made just to make a person look dignified. (I think there’s a brocha instituted for this) So naturally it should fit the bill. To wear one in an undignified manner defeats its whole purpose.
As to what looks dignified, that is dependent on every community.December 7, 2012 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #911247shmendrickMember
It might interest you to know that the position of the brim is thought to indicate certain characteristics of the wearer.
Basically the hat brim serves as a means of enlarging a man’s brow ridges (the part of the skull where the eyebrows are) which represents power or fierceness. (Notice how Neanderthals always look angry, never happy or jovial).
Hat brims worn in the down position in front represent the eyebrows drawn together and lowered i.e. an angry posture, man defending his turf, ready to fight the world, “hey you looking at me.”
Hat brim up indicates “openness” i.e. approach me, I’ve nothing to hide, I want to be your friend. This might be a form of welcoming to others, being “makdim sholem l’kol odom”, a hanhaga tova signifying good midos and kiyum halacha.
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