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Why do some people eat with their hat on during meals? Isnt it a little rude?
It’s rude to take your hat off among Yidden. Do you see people taking their hat off at a chasana, after the chupa, when they sit down to eat their meal? People leave it on.
It isn’t rude in everyone’s eyes. I personally don’t wear a hat during meals, in fact not even for kiddush. But some people are used to it.
Why should a Shabbos meal be less b’kovodik than a chasuna meal? People leave it on for kavod Shabbos.
Csar:- Because at a chasunoh hall your hat may get lost, and if you check in your hat, there may be a long line to retrieve your hat thereafter. At home, it is easy to keep your hat close by. Hence no-one is in any manner whatsoever, infringing Kovod Shabbos.
Furthermoe, in summer, many public places are better air conditioned than are private homes.
pp hold that you are supposed to have your head double covered esp during benching and kiddush and its a meal of royality so we dress accordingly im sure there is st brought down y u dress w hat and jacket sb can look up
Why should a Shabbos meal be less b’kovodik than a chasuna meal? People leave it on for kavod Shabbos.
Well, then, I guess I’m okay since I don’t wear at hat at a wedding or at a Shabbos meal.
Oh wait, I forgot. I will usually take off my jacket and tie at a Shabbos meal at home while leaving it on by a wedding. Further proof that I am a disgusting person with no understanding of kedushas Shabbos (but then again, since I am mechallel Shabbos every week by being sad, I suppose it’s to be expected.).
The Wolf
Why should a Shabbos meal be less b’kovodik than a chasuna meal?
I wear it at a wedding only because I have nowhere else to put it down.
The mashgiach of a prominent yeshiva told my brother that the only reason he wears his hat at the shabbos meal is that his kids do.
Golden Mom: There is no Halachic source whatsoever that one has to have their head double-covered for Bentsching or Davening. None.
Sam: The Mishna Brura and others say to wear a double head covering.
The mashgiach of a prominent yeshiva told my brother that the only reason he wears his hat at the shabbos meal is that his kids do.
He was kidding around. He wouldn’t just blindly follow his children’s narishkeit. He wear it because its the right thing to do.
Patri: That is a gross lie. Find me where the Mishnah B’rurah says it. You can’t. It’s not in there. People quote the Mishnah B’rurah as saying it but it’s not in there anywhere whatsoever. People also misquote the Zohar brought down in M”B 91:2 as saying it. But actually read it. That’s not at all what he says.
It’s seems like a Baal tshuvah thing to wear a hat at meals. One should be comfortable while eating, not everything must be intense. Also it makes others at the meal feel uncomfortable.
BT? I see very frum (ffb) wearing hats during the meal all the time. Others just wear it for kiddush and bentching.
Sam2: To say its a lie is a little to strong. When one looks he/she will find that the MB does in fact quote the Chayei Adam suggesting that one must wear a hat when Davening. However if one notices the wording of both scholars one will surely find it is clearly noted that the reason to do so is because of the culture in which one finds oneself. Thus being the case it does seem as if in our western culture one would not be required to wear a hat rather a tie would seem to be more befitting.
I see a lot of bt’s doing this! The phase will pass
The mashgiach of a prominent yeshiva told my brother that the only reason he wears his hat at the shabbos meal is that his kids do.
He was kidding around. He wouldn’t just blindly follow his children’s narishkeit. He wear it because its the right thing to do.
He wasn’t. He is a very close relative of ours.
sam2- you are absolutely correct. Nowhere does the Shulcan Aruch- much less the Mishnei berurah- say anything about “two covers’ on the head.(Siman 2 and siman 91) I truly don’t know where this idea comes from.
chilled- the mishne berurah brings down the words of the chaya odo but he is talking about ONE cover, not two. (that cover, they say, shoulds be a full hat, not a small hat, as you would walk in the streets)
Sam2: How about MB 91:12. UBIZMANEINU ZARICH L’HASIM B’EIS HATEFILLAH KOVEA BROSHO KDERECH HOLAICH B’RECHOV VLO B’KOVEA KOTON SHETACHAS HAKOVEA. (In our times one must don a hat on his head like one uses in the street and not the small hat that is under the hat.)
Fedup is 100% correct. The language in the MB quoted by fedup clearly means 2 coverings. One under the hat plus the hat.
@fedup11210 @ohr chodesh it does not mean 2 coverings – it is ok to just wear the hat without the kovea katan according to the mb you just quoted. this is commonly misquoted.
what if the hat falls off into the soup?
I am making a macha’ah about this thread.
It is nothing but spite. If someone does something that I don’t think is necessary, that is fine with me. To sit here and bash them and call them “rude” with absolutely no basis, is quite horrible.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I hate to say it, popa, but many people who use many kulas attack people who use chumros, just as you made macha’a about.
Jbaldy, your argument might have some validity. Though two points: 1) it is and was unusual to not wear a yarmulka, even if one is wearing a hat. So I doubt the MB implies what you are saying. Rather it means a hat plus a yarmulka. And 2) in either case, the MB is very clear that a full hat is required.
The MB does not say both head coverings are (were) needed. Just that the real hat is (was) needed.
Back on topic:
I sometimes wear a hat at the Shabbat table because I don’t actively take it off. I like to stay dressed up for kidduch and hamotsi. I am also inclined to keep it on the whole meal if I can’t find a place to put my hat when I am a guest.
It should be very clear to anyone who looks up that Mishana Berura that the reason to wear a hat is that it is Derech Kovod. Nothing to do with the number of coverings. I have seen men put their arm over their yarmulka when making a brocha and I believe it to be a total waste of time. Ditto wearing a smacked up, dusty out of shape hat which you would never wear in front of a king.
I never said the M”B doesn’t say you need a hat. I said that he never says you need a double covering. Which he doesn’t. The statement that the M”B says that a double covering is necessary is a Ziyuf Shel Halachah that has been spread throughout the masses.
Maybe they just starting wearing a hat and really like it? ; )
Actually, if someone wore or took off their hat while eating, to me, it makes no difference. I really dont see how I would be more relaxed or feel more respected if someone took off their hat. If they took off their shoes while eating, then I would take notice of their socks.
“B’EIS HATEFILLAH”
Which one of these words means while eating?
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