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  • #612258

    justbecause
    Member

    Does being a single hatzolah volunteer have a positive or negative affect on shidduchim?

    #1007256

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Oh, I thought you were suggesting that hatzolo people make shidduchim between people from the houses they go into, since they see everyone at their worst.

    I sounds like it would violate HIPPA

    #1007257

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    People would feel more safe going on a date with you.

    #1007258

    emesvyatziv
    Participant

    Depends if you are male or female.

    #1007259

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Definitely positive if you have a DOT parking permit and can park all over manhattan for free.

    (And for all the haters who say that is abusing it, it isn’t. Because part of the purpose is that your car should be near you in case you have an emergency. And there are situations where you would help someone even on a date, like if someone collapses at the restaurant you’re in.)

    #1007260

    jackinthebox
    Member

    from what i hear regarding resume`s any type of chesed is welcome so whether you are male or female volunteering for ezras nashim(womens hatzalah) or for regular mens hatzalah i would think it would be a definite plus and can only help you !

    #1007261

    jackinthebox
    Member

    +1 poppa !

    #1007262

    oomis
    Participant

    Definite plus in MY book. The ONLY downside (and it really should not be considered as such), is the same one as with anyone in a medical field where the services might be needed unexpectedly or in the middle of the night). Hatzolah members (and I feel that Chaverim also merit this) are malachim.

    #1007263

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Is chessed really prized on a man’s resume?

    Do men really have a resume? (I sure never did.)

    #1007265

    heretohelp
    Member

    It is completely neutral. If you are a hatzolah volunteer and want to find someone who is ok with that and don’t want to find someone who is not ok with that, being a hatzolah volunteer will mean you won’t end up with someone who is not ok with that. On the other hand, the people who agree to go out with you will be ok with it. So it works out completely.

    #1007266

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Popa, why would you need a car to get to to the restaurant which you’re already in?

    #1007267

    notsuchalamdan16
    Participant

    i know that they had to make shana rishona gedarim for hatzoloh members in certain areas because of sholom bayis i.e.:calls late at night, too many calls

    #1007268

    LevAryeh
    Member

    I don’t know about other cities, but Hatzolah of Lakewood only accepts married members.

    #1007269

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa, why would you need a car to get to to the restaurant which you’re already in?

    You can do better, DY. You would need your supplies.

    #1007270

    justbecause
    Member

    im assuming PBA meant that you may want your equipment close by

    #1007271

    iceandfire
    Member

    the only single guys i know who are in hatzolah are just interested in the “excitiment”, not there just for the chessed part of it.

    #1007272

    my father was already in hatzolah when my parents got married and my mother had no problem with it except she often says how when they go out to dinner thats when he needs to go to a call and she is left dining by herself….. 🙂

    #1007273

    jackinthebox
    Member

    “the only single guys i know who are in hatzolah are just interested in the “excitiment”, not there just for the chessed part of it. “

    iceandfire-in most cases i would agree with you but did it ever occur to you some ppl want to do chesed !? and married or not married excitement is by both doesent make a diff !

    #1007274

    writersoul
    Member

    emesvyatziv: Why? Personally I want to become an EMT- ever since I saw someone collapse in shul and we had to wait for a guy to come over to help, I’ve known that this is something important.

    There’s actually a women’s EMT course in my area that I considered taking and would have taken if not for school and pesky things like that.

    There are always those things in shidduchim where people say that if he doesn’t like this or this about me then I don’t want him, and sometimes they don’t make sense, but honestly if I did end up becoming an EMT- maybe even for Hatzolah or some similar organization- and someone rejected me because of that, that would be a deal-breaker on my end also.

    #1007275

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Good point, popa.

    #1007276

    Health
    Participant

    writersoul -“emesvyatziv: Why? Personally I want to become an EMT- ever since I saw someone collapse in shul and we had to wait for a guy to come over to help, I’ve known that this is something important.”

    Once upon a time I did volly work, not anymore.

    Question of the day:

    Why do you need to become an EMT to practice CPR & First Aid?

    #1007277

    mazal77
    Participant

    Don’t Hatzalah members have to be married prior to joining? I thought singles were not accepted.

    #1007278

    jackinthebox
    Member

    “Question of the day:

    Why do you need to become an EMT to practice CPR & First Aid? “

    health- you dont but as an emt and / or a hatzalah member you have more knowledge ,supplies,and resources at your fingertips and more equipped to deal with situations that come up quickly and easily compared to just knowing cpr and first aid . although if your not going to become an emt its definetly beneficail to know cpr/aed and first aid !

    #1007279

    writersoul
    Member

    Health: I’m actually CPR/first aid certified (I’m a lifeguard), but basically what jackinthebox said. I’d like to be as confident, equipped and knowledgeable as possible- I want to be just as qualified and helpful as those Hatzolah guys, not an interim measure.

    #1007280

    justbecause
    Member

    although some ppl who are trained in CPR/First Aid actually know what they’re doing, most don’t. Trust me- I’ve seen ppl who are “trained in CPR/First aid” use their “skills”…. an average EMT knows a lot more than those who are “trained” in CPR/First Aid

    #1007281

    oomis
    Participant

    Everyone IMO should be trained in CPR properly. It should be as much part and parcel of Yeshivah education as math and science (and is probably a more practical skill to know than how to figure out tangents and quadrilateral equasions). And we should all take refresher courses. This applies to anyone who has a child or doesn’t, who is married or is not, who is old or young – EVERYBODY should know what to do in an emergency UNTIL hatzolah gets there. Sometimes you have literally SECONDS to save a life.

    #1007282

    jackinthebox
    Member

    justbecause- as i said before and writersoul pointed out , the more you know the better ! it doesent mean that all ppl who learn cpr/aed and first aid ( i happen to also be a lifeguard) dont know what they are doing! you are grouping everyone together that we all that are trained in cpr/aed first aid lifeguard etc. all dont know what we are doing ! you are definetly right some are certified and have no clue but you have no right to generalize and say

    “although some ppl who are trained in CPR/First Aid actually know what they’re doing, most don’t.”

    its not true lots of ppl do !

    #1007283

    justbecause
    Member

    i agree with oomis; everyone should know the basics!

    a simple CPR course can take you a couple of hours and First aid maybe a couple more.

    its a cheap, easy, and quick course that everyone should take.

    Just shed a few hours on a sunday off of your YWN CoffeeRoom time 🙂

    #1007284

    justbecause
    Member

    jackinthebox- the information you learn in a course is important and very useful however you can’t compare one who KNOWS what do to one who HAS EXPERIENCE doing it.

    and for all of those who are taking CPR/First Aid course- Kudos to you!

    but i request of you all to make sure you actually PAY ATTENTION during the course and every once in a while look on (website not mentioned due to treifness) to see how these skills are done, refresh your knowledge and don’t be that person who doesn’t know what to do when someone collapses in shul or at a restaurant!

    #1007285

    wallflower
    Member

    So what if single guys join Hatzolah for the excitement? Goody for them. They need action, and found a way to get it that is (a) a mitzvah, and (b) provides a service to the community. What could be better?

    #1007286

    oomis
    Participant

    Note to myself: EQUATIONS, not equasions. Don’t know WHAT I was thinking…

    #1007287

    notsuchalamdan16
    Participant

    wallflower: the problem with the thrill is that once they get married and the “thrill” of a new marriage fades, they will be looking for the thrill of hatzoloh calls and the nitty gritty that a marriage needs in order to work will be lacking and might strain the marriage as the wife can feel something is more important than she is. thats why shana rishona guidelines are needed and why single guys shouldn’t be allowed on

    #1007288

    mgs
    Member

    there is an old saying that until you live in those shoes, dont comment. well i lived in those shoes and it made no difference to anyone who was suggesting a shidduch. the offers were coming furiously.

    however; some comments were appropriate certainly the ones who joinn for the excitement, “hock. while this is the minority it includes many more marrieds than singles. in the end its about maturity

    #1007289

    justbecause
    Member

    notsuchalamdan16- are you proposing that Hatzolah causes people to get divorced?

    and just remember the single guys are the ones who generally have more time to go on calls; without them the married guys would have to leave more often.

    notsuchalamdan16- which causes more divorces the married hatzolah guys taking too many calls because their are no single guys around to take the calls? or having single guys on hatzolah and giving them the thrill of hatzolah calls which continue through marriage also?

    #1007290

    Health
    Participant

    writersoul -“Health: I’m actually CPR/first aid certified (I’m a lifeguard), but basically what jackinthebox said. I’d like to be as confident, equipped and knowledgeable as possible- I want to be just as qualified and helpful as those Hatzolah guys, not an interim measure.”

    I’m not going to answer all those other comments, but yours – because I posted to you originally. After I finished EMT and then Medic school I went further in my education. From my POV, being an EMT is the bottom rung of the ladder. This isn’t to knock EMT’s – just to make you realize – the reality. Of course, EMT’s are integral part of the EMS system. Going back to my original comment of “Why do you need to become an EMT to practice CPR & First Aid?”, I feel s/o who practices good CPR & First Aid is just as valuable, if not more, than EMS guys!

    #1007291

    justbecause
    Member

    EMT=Basic Lift and Shlep

    Health is right; EMT’s are an integral part of the EMS system but what they actually do is Basic Lift and Shlep (for the most part)

    #1007292

    2scents
    Participant

    I disagree, EMTs are the one helping the patients breath.

    It all starts with the ABCs, its not the meds it is the ABCs! Basic CPR or bleeding control is more important than ALS.

    Thats from an ALS provider..

    #1007293

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    EMT=Basic Lift and Shlep

    soooo not true. And so insulting to the people who are out there helping people thru medical emergencies.

    #1007294

    justbecause
    Member

    sorry i didn’t mean it like that.

    i was referring to a little joke that they say about EMT’s in the private ambulance industry.

    EMT’s are BLS Providers as opposed to Medics who are ALS providers; they say that

    BLS= Basic Lift and Shlep

    because in the private industry thats what the emts Mostly do. of course EMT’s do save lives and are trained in many life saving techniques i was just referring to that little joke.

    #1007295

    justbecause
    Member

    and yes of course, every good medic knows “BLS before ALS”

    #1007296

    mavmav
    Participant

    as a 10 year EMT working on hatzolah and private i would have to agree that in the private industry its mostly Basic Lift and Shlep but on Hatzolah its more…..

    #1007297

    writersoul
    Member

    Health: I also want to become a doctor. I don’t necessarily have EMT as my high point as far as a career. I just feel like it’s the next step, and like mavmav said, in Hatzolah EMTs have a lot more to deal with.

    I don’t know obviously that I’d go from EMT to paramedic unless I actually wanted to become a paramedic for a living (not exactly a big moneymaker…), but EMT is a much more reasonable investment and one that I think is something I can really do as I am.

    #1007298

    Health
    Participant

    2scents -“I disagree, EMTs are the one helping the patients breath.”

    With whom are you disagreeing with?

    “It all starts with the ABCs, its not the meds it is the ABCs! Basic CPR or bleeding control is more important than ALS.”

    Now you get what I started off with -“Why do you need to become an EMT to practice CPR & First Aid?”, I feel s/o who practices good CPR & First Aid is just as valuable, if not more, than EMS guys!” It’s Not the EMT’s, but the BLS itself.

    #1007299

    Health
    Participant

    writersoul -“Health: I also want to become a doctor. I don’t necessarily have EMT as my high point as far as a career. I just feel like it’s the next step,”

    Ya’see from your SN – I just assumed you had no interest in medicine. More like the literary type.

    Also, FYI most medical students Don’t have any allied health professions before they go to med school.

    #1007300

    mavmav
    Participant

    just some input on this whole thing about someone who practices CPR/First Aid may be batter than an EMT……

    true that they may have more knowledge on this specifics if they constantly practice but i don’t think that you can compare one who practices a lot to one who actually does patient care on a daily basis

    #1007301

    apushatayid
    Participant

    so, if bls = basic lift and shlep, als = advanced lift and shlep?

    #1007302

    jackinthebox
    Member

    apushatayid- definetly !!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1007303

    writersoul
    Member

    Health: I like both… so sue me :).

    I actually like having multiple interests. (Subject-wise, I love science, history and writing, just to iron that out.)

    The fact that I want to become a doctor relates to my wanting to become an EMT only insofar as both help people medically- something that I’m really passionate about.

    #1007304

    Health
    Participant

    writersoul -“Health: I like both… so sue me :).

    I actually like having multiple interests. (Subject-wise, I love science, history and writing, just to iron that out.)”

    Most med prof are also good in math. A lot of math is used in medicine.

    #1007305

    kayla1994
    Member

    I didn’t read all of the posts in this thread but um why on earth would anybody have an issue with dating a Hatzolah guy. I definitely wouldn’t.

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