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    mik5
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    Remember: It is absolutely essential that one hear every single word of the Megillah, both tonight and especially on Purim day.

    One must do everything within his power to stay fully awake and pay attention to the baal koreh. One is to avoid having his mind wander during krias hamegillah.

    If one did not hear every word, the mitzvah was not fulfilled according to most opinions.

    #1144129

    cherrybim
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    “If one did not hear every word, the mitzvah was not fulfilled according to most opinions.”

    There are other opinions? Who are they?

    #1144130

    mik5
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    Yes. There are opinions in the Talmud that hold one is only required to hear the Megillah starting from Ish Yehudi. [Shaar Hatziyon 690/5] The Riaz rules that the reading is valid even if the reader or listener missed many words, so long as the following words or letters were read: Viyiomei Hapurim Haeilu Lo Yavru; Umatanos Laevyonim.

    #1144131

    simcha613
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    If one did not every word but read from a Chumash what he missed (as long as more than half of the megila came from hearing the baal kriah from a Kosher Megila or reading from a kosher Megila) one is yotzei.

    #1144132

    on the ball
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    ‘Hearing’ just means that your ears picked up the sounds. It does not mean kavanah. The poskim say that if your mind was wandering during megilah you are still yotzeh as long as you can be sure you heard every word

    #1144133

    mik5
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    on the ball – Tzurich iyun. If your mind wandered completely to other topics… if you took out your phone and texted someone during krias hamegillah, would you still be yotzi?

    #1144134

    ubiquitin
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    mik5

    “if you took out your phone and texted someone during krias hamegillah, would you still be yotzi?”

    Why not? If he is sure he heard every word, why wouldnt he be yotzei?

    if you took out your phone and texted someone during tekias shofar, would you still be yotzi? (yes I know texting is assur on yom tov or any day according to some that isnt the point of this thread)

    #1144135

    mik5
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    You have to apply your mind to hear every word from the mouth of the baal korei, not just hear it “in the background” while deeply engrossed in your own thoughts. Otherwise, it’s no good.

    #1144136

    mik5
    Participant

    On two occasions, I personally witnessed the grandson of Rav Avigdor Miller zatzal instruct that all the doors of his shul be locked prior to commencing krias hamegillah, and instruct congregants not to bang by Haman, or even to tap their feet on the ground AT ALL. He stands facing the baal korei and follows along with his finger pointing to every word. That is the right way to hear the megillah raboisai.

    #1144137

    mik5
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    If one was thinking of other matters while hearing the words then it is considered as if he did not hear those words. This commonly occurs to Torah scholars and business men that their minds wander to Torah thoughts and business dealings when hearing something read for a long period of time. [Nemukei Orach Chaim 690; see also Piskeiy Teshuvos 690/4; Eretz Tzevi 1/45; Shearim Hametzuyanim Behalacha 141/13.]

    The Ben Ish Chai Writes in Tetzaveh Hilchos Purim 3:

    ??? ? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??”? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ???????, ???????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????:

    If one is dozing off while hearing, he is not yotzeai and he writes this is always found that people listen while in a dozing off state and they should be careful.

    #1144138

    mik5
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    If one did not every word but read from a Chumash what he missed (as long as more than half of the megila came from hearing the baal kriah from a Kosher Megila or reading from a kosher Megila) one is yotzei.

    Correct, but spacing out is like missing words. There are different levels of spacing out, though.

    #1144139

    ubiquitin
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    mik5

    “You have to apply your mind to hear every word from the mouth of the baal korei, not just hear it “in the background” while deeply engrossed in your own thoughts. Otherwise, it’s no good.”

    source?

    Dozing off is obviously irrelevant since while asleep he doesnt hear (Arguably)

    “On two occasions, I personally witnessed the grandson… “

    Mazel tov, on more than two occasions I have seen Gedolim not resort to fire hazards and who kept the minhag of banging by haman alive I assure you they were yotzei too

    #1144140

    Avram in MD
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    mik5,

    instruct congregants not to bang by Haman, or even to tap their feet on the ground AT ALL … That is the right way to hear the megillah raboisai.

    Not if you or your shul has a different minhag. I was very impressed with the children in my shul on Purim who banged when Haman’s name was read (and only then), and then stopped banging very quickly so that the leining could go on. Fun and good behavior can coexist.

    ubiquitin,

    on more than two occasions I have seen Gedolim not resort to fire hazards

    How is it a fire hazard if the doors are locked on the outside (to prevent latecomers from disrupting the leining) but are still easily accessible for exit? Do you lock your front door at home before going to bed?

    #1144141

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Avram

    “How is it a fire hazard if the doors are locked on the outside (to prevent latecomers from disrupting the leining) but are still easily accessible for exit?”

    Its not.(Though still seems needlessly extreme)

    “Do you lock your front door at home before going to bed?”

    Yes (usually)

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