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  • #616925
    questions78
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    I want to buy a product under the hechsher of the international kosher council. does anyone know anything about this hechsher?

    #1119241
    Joseph
    Participant

    Have you checked yet with Rabbi Google?

    #1119242
    feivel
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    Scouring forums some say it’s good, some say not, some say it’s good but they will certify establishments that are open on Shabbos. I didn’t find it on the CRC list but their list is very machmir and not all inclusive. So I don’t know.

    From th ikc website “We are an Orthodox certification. Rabbi Zev Schwarcz, is the Rabbi directing the IKC. He is a graduate and musmach of Telshe Yeshiva in Cleveland.He has had over 20 years experience with Kashrus supervision with major kosher certifying agencies. All of our Mashgichim are Orthodox, bnei yeshivos. Our guideline is the Halacha (Jewish Law). We strive to do everything according to Halacha (Jewish Law).”

    #1119243
    Joseph
    Participant

    Their website stresses they can certify you if you’re open on Shabbos.

    #1119244
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Alot of well known valid Hechshers will certify places that are open on SHabbos if they are not owned by Jews

    #1119245
    Joseph
    Participant

    They have “options” to certify Jews open on Shabbos, according to their FAQ.

    #1119246
    MDG
    Participant

    The website leaves me a little deflated. It looks like the main message is to advertise to potential businesses, and it’s not geared towards the kosher consumer.

    Another issue that I have is that hechsher certifies a pizza place in Philadelphia which serves kale salad. I do a lot of vegetable washing, and I can tell you that kale can be one of the worst things as far as bugs.

    Kosherquest. Com does not list the ikc as recommended.

    #1119247
    apushatayid
    Participant

    Seems simple enough. Someone found their website. Contact them. Ask them their standards. You are concerned with the kale, ask them how they check it for bugs. Ask them how they enforce their standards.

    I will say this. I am an “orthodox, ben yeshiva with many years experience in kashrus”, dont trust my hechsher because I flaunt those qualifications. They are meaningless. Even if I am an expert in the relevent halachos, if I have a poor system to manage those standards, my knowledge is useless.

    #1119248
    MDG
    Participant

    “. You are concerned with the kale, ask them how they check it for bugs. Ask them how they enforce their standards.”

    From the Web site -on the costs page, it seems that they do Yotze Venichnas. That doesn’t work for bugs. Yes you call them, but I wouldn’t bother.

    #1119249
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Mdg,

    Me too

    A tip that I find works most of the time is pouring undiluted vegetable wash (or soap if you use that instead) and let it soak in the water for half an hour then wash 4 more times

    Usually does the trick

    #1119250
    ChadGadya
    Participant

    They “strive to do everything according to halacha”!? How often do they succeed?

    #1119251
    MDG
    Participant

    In all fairness I believe that they are striving to do the best. For example, they probably ask the restaurant to use prewashed kale. From what I’ve seen, the majority of prewashed vegetables are clean. However for most of us that is not enough.

    Concerning kale, i have only checked and washed fresh kale.

    #1895372
    RMF2000
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    I am not happy that they would certify a Jewish owned business on Shabbos. To me this is a deal killer.

    #1897252
    cherrybim
    Participant

    The vast majority of manufactures of kosher food with kosher certification are open on Shabbos.

    #1897260
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Other than tzinius, I cannot think of another area of hashkafah that is so personally subjective as kashruth. If you have an established relationship with a LR/P, than it should be a simple question of asking their advice (and taking it). Otherwise, you may ultimately be happy with how they wash their kale but then freak out when you discover their standards for checking for small worms in salmon are really inadequate. There is no “perfect” hashgacha. Many consider chasideshe hashgachos to be the gold standard, but that is certainly not a universal view.

    #1897365
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Many years ago I spoke to Rabbi Schwarcz about this. He certifies Jewish-owned businesses that are open on Shabbos, by setting them up with a heter mechira. On Shabbos the business is owned by a nochri, and the Jewish former owner is not allowed to set foot there. Al pi din this is 100% permitted, IF the business is not publicly known to be Jewish-owned.

    He also makes a point of occasionally visiting his places on Shabbos, so they don’t think Shabbos is a “free day” when the rabbi will not come and they can do whatever they like.

    #1897387
    flyer
    Participant

    Ikc is not recommended and not held by the orthodox community

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