December 22, 2009 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #590999
Anyone know anything about the reliability of the Canadian hechsherim the MK and WK. One is for Montreal under R’ Peretz Jaffe, and the other is Winnepeg under R’peretz Weizman.December 22, 2009 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #670881
i can find out anything you need to know about canadian hechsherim i have a relative in CORDecember 22, 2009 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #670882smh1Member
The MK is an excellent Hechsher. They are extrememly helpful, in either language, and can definately be relied on. Enjoy!December 22, 2009 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #670883
i can find out anything you need to know about canadian hechsherim i have a relative in COR “
Thanks, bomb, and thank you smh1.December 22, 2009 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #670884
heres the update
MK is good; WK was bought out by OU. They are bringing most products up to standard. if you have a question about a specific product just post it here i can find outDecember 22, 2009 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #670885A600KiloBearParticipant
MK has had a great reputation going back years. It is a non profit hashgocho which is under the Montreal Va’ad HoIr that in turn is headed by true talmidei chochomim as it always has been.
I do not know the first thing about the Winnipeg hechsher.December 22, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #670886PosterMember
oomis1105, when you have a quesion about Hechsheirim, the best thing to do is to get a phone number of the Rav Hamachshir. Have your Rav or husband call him to find out if he follows the guidlines you go by. Pple here are telling you that the hechsher is good or reliable but, you have no idea who these pple are.December 22, 2009 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #670887
Thank you VERY much. This was not for me, but for a friend who wanted to buy something with those hechsherim listed, at Trader Joe’s. As I do not shop there too often, I had never heard of these, so I told her I would ask my friends at the CR, and see if any of them had any info for me. Again, my thanks.December 22, 2009 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #670888
like i said WK is essentially the OUDecember 23, 2009 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #670889komaMember
Lesson in Kashrus; Long time ago in E”Y, I attended a wedding in Bnei Brak. The baal simcha was an erliche mentch, and the hashgacha was premium. This was right after the 73 war,and the hall was filled with all manner of haredi and other commers and goers. A hasidishe guy sat down next to me, pulled out an apple, made the bracha and ate it, made a borei nefashos and left. That left an indelible impression on me. If you want real kashrus, keep it simple, and make it yourself from “primary ingredients”December 23, 2009 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #670890
“A hasidishe guy sat down next to me, pulled out an apple, made the bracha and ate it, made a borei nefashos and left. “
Maybe he could not stay, was hungry, but did not want the baal simcha to have to pay for his meal. But for the record, in my far less chareidi neighborhood, a caterer would NEVER allow anyone to bring in even a bottled WATER from outside! So apple or no apple, unless the caterer himself supplied the fruit to the chassid, the guy technically broke an important kashrus rule of places under Vaad restrictions, by bringing in his own food to a catering hall under someone else’s hashghocha. And that is a problem.December 23, 2009 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #670891
THAT is extreme! there is no reason to not trust a hashgacha with reliable rabbonim…but to each his own 🙂December 24, 2009 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #670892
I have attended simchas which were not kosher, going solely because they were family members. My husband and I did not eat the food (we ate before we left for the party). The hosts knew we would not be eating, and to be honest, the other guests at our table realized we were obviously kosher and made no issue of our not eating anything. We stayed for much of the party, then said our mazeltovs and left. If someone does not rely on the kashrus of a simcha which he or she is attending, that person should not eat, and should be unobtrusive about it, or leave before the dinner is served, whenever possible.December 24, 2009 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #670893Ben LeviParticipant
Bomb maniac did you mean to say “no reason” have you forgotten Monsey?December 24, 2009 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #670894
no i havent but why should we expect people to be reshaim? we all have a chazkas kashrusDecember 24, 2009 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #670895A600KiloBearParticipant
Koma, the man in your story could have had an odd personal minhag regarding chassunes.
I had a friend who does not eat at chassunes – it is some strange minhag he brought with him from Yerushalayim.December 24, 2009 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #670896The Best BubbyParticipant
There was once a caterer which had the highest hechsher of Kedassia. He was catering a chasuna of 600 couples in a big hotel near the airport. He served MILICHIG ICE CREAM for dessert on FLEISHIG PLATES. Nebech all the people ate it. They did not know anything. The caterer made the order from the supplier and the supplier sent what HE WAS ASKED. The caterer put on the truck the WRONG ICE CREAM, I.E. MILICHIG ICE CREAM, NOT PARVE ICE CREAM! The caterer did not check the ice cream BEFORE serving the ice cream, nor did the full time shomer check the ice cream, and all the people nebech ate the milichig ice cream! The caterer only noticed that he served the wrong ice cream at 3:00 a.m. when he was loading everything with his workers on to the truck to take back to his factory. But he still put the dishes into a fleishig dishwasher knowing that the ice cream was milichig. (The plates were clean, cold fleishig plates, and he should have washed them in cold water with detergent by hand and then left them for 24 hours, before using again. The ice cream is cold, even though it was milichig). Yes, one has to know the hechsher one is eating or using.
I do kiruv teaching and was invited to a bat mitzvah from one of my students’ years ago. We were invited for the dinner in a fancy hotel. I called the hotel who was catering and then said, “inhouse catering”, therefore it is treif. I sent the father a very cordial and sweet email thanking him for the very kind invitation and we would love to attend the celebration, but we only eat Keddasia food and gave him the name and phone #, fax, email from the people who make airline food and supply the hospitals
(Hermolis). He ordered for us the most beautiful food, exactly the same as the others only Glatt Kosher Kedassia, in brand new china dishes, cutlery, new wine glasses, mevushal wine and wine opener, etc. It is all heated in an oven or microwave and triple wrapped. We opened it ourselves. It was a five course meal and we sat with another 2 frum couples who had the same food. The family thanked me publicly for all the work I had put in to the girl and her family and we are in touch till today. It was so wonderful and what a kiddush H-ashem it was for all to see, what we were eating and drinking. Everyone wanted our humongous portions and delicious food!
One should always know their butcher, (remembering Monsey!), fishmonger, and only eat hechsherim that are known to be reliable. There is a kashrus guide that is produced every year and is available at the Kosherfest with every hechsher in the world! The booklet is worth every penny! And, it is reliable and you can make your own decision of what is ok for you.
Gut Shabbos to everyone!December 24, 2009 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #670897
BB, my husband’s cousin did exactly the same thing that you described. She ordered a completely separate meal for us from soup to nuts, separate dishes, sealed and the mashgiach came with the delivery. We were seated in such a way as to have a separate area without looking too obvious (a small table a couple of inches apart from the bigger table that the family was at, so it almost looked attached)our food was brought in discreetly, and everything was from a reliable caterer whom we had recommended, one of three or four that we named, so they had a choice. They really wanted us to be there and not to be uncomfortable while everyone else was eating and drinking. It was very touching. I have one or two relatives on my side who came from frum homes but are frei, who did not have the same respect for us that my husband’s family, who are ALL frei, did.December 24, 2009 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #670898The Best BubbyParticipant
oomis1105 Where there is a will there is a way! It is better to make a Kiddush H-ashem then chas ve shalom to make a Chillul H-ashem.
I’ve always found people were very respectful of my religious needs and very accomodating. If you don’t ask you don’t get.December 27, 2009 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #670899winnipeggerMember
The OU quietly denies the claims published in those articles and has denied assuming responsibility for WK kashrus standards. OU has been involved in a process of upgrading it but the whole thing is shrouded in secrecy. There are serious questions about what is going on with WK and this supposed process involving the OU.
EDITEDDecember 27, 2009 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #670900
i have an uncle who is a coordiantor for COR he verified that OU has indeed bought WK and is currently working to bring it up to standardsDecember 28, 2009 5:39 am at 5:39 am #670903
Thank you, Winnipegger, for your candid reply. I am going to pass that info along to the person who originally asked me about this hechsher. It will be up to her to follow through, obviously.
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