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    bored_teen 💕
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    Can you name 3 good things about (or things they have done) the opposing political party?
    (Republican about Democrat and vice versa)
    No sarcasm, actual positivity!

    #2061682
    ujm
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    I’m much closer to the Democrat Party’s position on gun control than the Republican position.

    #2061673
    amom
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    Hm- hard one.
    1) there have been many democratic presidents that supported and aided Israel.
    2) this one being a double-edged sword- Government programs. Honestly, they are bad, they raise taxes and prices BUT noone in the the US doesn’t have money for food because of foodstamps. In Israel there are people that seriously can’t afford food. So, I guess democrats supporting that is good in some way.
    3) I can’t think of another one. There probably are more positives, but I am a hard core conservitive so……….

    #2061713
    ☕️coffee addict
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    It’s very hard when people are indoctrinated into believing the other side is either communists or fascists

    It’s like the same with religion, every religion is taught to believe their’s is true and the others are false

    #2061719

    Democrats are good at propaganda
    Many democrats cared about their slaves and did not abuse them
    more seriously,
    left-wing democrats, like all communists, are often sincere in their desire to help poor people and get rid of evil capitalists. We should learn from their zeal.
    moderate democrats, like Joe Liberman, genuinely think and care about the country and Jewish people also.

    #2061739
    ujm
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    CA: “It’s like the same with religion, every religion is taught to believe their’s is true and the others are false”

    Do you have even the slightest of doubts that Torah Judaism is absolutely and completely true whereas every other religion is totally and irredeemably false? If not, why did you make that comparison?

    #2061788
    Lostspark
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    I tried but couldn’t.

    That’s like trying to get a Cambodian to say three things positively about the forming Khmer Rouge.

    #2061879
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Do you have even the slightest of doubts that Torah Judaism is absolutely and completely true whereas every other religion is totally and irredeemably false? If not, why did you make that comparison?“

    This is a conversation for a different thread

    I will say one thing to answer though

    I don’t think anyone has 100% ידיעה and whatever one has is mixed along with some אמונה

    #2061898
    AviraDeArah
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    CA, if you’re asked about whether you believe with complete faith that judaism is 100% true and other religions are false, and if your response is anything other than a clarion “yes”, you’ve sadly left torah Judaism, as the rambam clearly writes (teshuva, perek 3) that if one doesn’t believe in one word of the Torah, it’s tantamount to disbelief in the entire torah. Doubts are halachikally the same as kefirah (ayin shom).

    It sounds like what you meant to say is that you have emunah but not yediah, which is something i agree that most people do not have. Your reply to ujm however, sounds as though you’re admitting to having at least some uncertainty about certain elements of torah, or that your notion of yediah/emunah is equivalent to uncertainty, that if one is a maamin he must perforce not have absolute certainty. That simply isn’t the idea of emunah that is discussed in chazal, rishonim etc – emunah is an affirmation,a statement that one affirms the truth of whatever it is he is maamin in.

    A maamin would not want his emunah to come into question by muddling the terms and portraying even the suggestion of there being a doubt in one’s mind.

    I do think ujm overreacted a little to the initial post; i would have, before CA went on, assumed he was talking about other religions and not thought much into it

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