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Do you eat food that is homemade when you are by a kiddush – when A) You don’t know from who’s house it came from (cleanliness). B) You don’t know the status of the kashrus in the house that it was made in?
Do you eat food that is homemade when you are by a kiddush – when A) You don’t know from who’s house it came from (cleanliness). B) You don’t know the status of the kashrus in the house that it was made in?
I can’t remember the last time that that’s happened (i.e. that there was homemade food at a kiddush AND I didn’t know from where it came).
The Wolf
what people dont relize when they serve homemade food is that for the other people its not homemade.
If you trust the person who is making the kiddush, isnt it enough that they trust whoevers food they put out?
Doesnt that make you trust their kashrus indirectly?
My uncle never eats food his wife didnt prepare, due to kashrus concerns.
There’s also the possibility that even if you don’t know from whence it came, perhaps someone you trust knows.
If your Rav (whom, for example, you trust to ask kashrus shailos to) told you that he eats at Person X’s house (even though you don’t know X), would you still refuse eat it (on the basis of kashrus)?
The Wolf
My uncle never eats food his wife didnt prepare, due to kashrus concerns.
Even his parents, siblings or kids? Or even himself?!
He doesn’t eat by a Rebbi’s (or Rav’s) house? He never eats by simchos?
The Wolf
Most shuls/halls will not allow homemade food to be brought in because of kashrus. If you’re making a kiddush in your home, and serving food that others brought, that’s a different thing.
I made a kiddush for my daughter in my home. It was significantly cheaper than doing it in shul (over $500 less) and honestly, the caterer my shul uses doesn’t make such great food. Did some people bring over things? Yes. I also know that they’ve hosted many people in the community for Shabbos meals, so people trust them.
Doesnt that make you trust their kashrus indirectly?
Now that most bakeries sell prepared trays you can see the labels
If it is catered you can always ask the waiter without the host knowing
If I am attending someone’s simcha and I trust their kashrus, I trust that the food they are providing is kosher. Unless I have a reason to suspect otherwise.
My uncle never eats food his wife didnt prepare, due to kashrus concerns.
I guess he doesn’t hold of the halachic principle of “Aid echad ne’eman b’issurim.” Or else he holds that no one else on earth is a valid witness.
The Wolf
if they are frum and live and go to school in a very hemish area I don’t see the concern. I doubt someone who sends their 8 kids to yeshiva, juggles learning and work, goes to minyan each day. Goes to the mikvah is really going to eat treif…I think your good on their level of kashrus. Unless of course you only eat pas yisroel and you know they don’t, which is not a kashrus issue per say , just a level of kashrus…if you are going to dis-associate with people in your own community because of issues like this you will soon isolate many people and have little or no friends.
its not just about kashros, its about their 5 year old with a runny nose helping and licking the batter.
deiyezooger, I worked for a kosher caterer for many years. I can assure you that the cleanest thing in the kitchen would be equivalent to a 5 year old with a runny nose licking the batter.
its not just about kashros, its about their 5 year old with a runny nose helping and licking the batter.
Actually, the OP made it about BOTH cleanliness and kashrus.
And not everyone has little children and even those that do don’t allow them to put their runny noses in other people’s (potential) food. In my household, for example, when my kids were small, they could have leftover batter — only after the cake itself was in the oven. I would *never* allow them to stick their fingers (clean or otherwise) into the batter before it was poured into the pan.
The Wolf
Wolf – where SJS worked they did.
Wolf – where SJS worked they did.
Actually that’s NOT what she said. Read it again. And, besides, we’re talking about homemade stuff, not catered foods.
And how about answering the questions about your uncle…
The Wolf
Cedarhurst, if you saw the kitchen of restaurants and caterers you may not want to ever eat there. In all seriousness.
And if the kid with the runny nose touches the raw batter, the germs should die out in the oven.
I was unambiguous about my uncle the first time.
Cedarhurst, if you saw the kitchen of restaurants and caterers you may not want to ever eat there. In all seriousness.
And if the kid with the runny nose touches the raw batter, the germs should die out in the oven.
I was unambiguous about my uncle the first time.
So he wouldn’t eat by his parents? Or his kids? Or his Rav (whom he would otherwise ask kashrus shailos of)?
He doesn’t eat by ANYONE’s simcha (even his own, unless his wife cooks everything)?
If so, then he’s not, IMHO, someone to be emulated. He may have other wonderful traits, but in this matter, he is an example of someone who has gone far too far in the other direction.
The Wolf
Wolf, I would hope and assume you don’t trust everyone with a yarmulka for kashrus.
as long as there are eggrolls and hotdogs in a blanket I don’t ask to many questions 🙂
Wolf, I would hope and assume you don’t trust everyone with a yarmulka for kashrus.
Not necessary everyone — but I trust my mother. I trust my sister. I trust my Rav. I have friends that I trust.
To trust, literally, no one beyond one’s wife is, IMHO, an example of a chossid shoteh. When he makes a bar mitzvah or a wedding, is he going to ask his wife to cook everything?
The Wolf
wolf – How do you always know from where the homemade food comes from?
I don’t. I never said there aren’t valid grounds to question. My problem is on the blanket assumption that *no one* is valid.
If it’s someone I trust, I eat it. If it’s endorsed by someone I trust — that’s good enough too. (i.e. if my Rav says he eats by the Goldenbergs, and he’s the rav I go to for kashrus shailos, then I’d eat out of the Goldenberg’s kitchen too, even if I don’t know them.).
The Wolf
A lot of people have different standards in kashrus.
I understand that. I, by no means, said he has to eat by *anyone*. But to, in essence, say that no one on earth is trustworthy is just plain wrong. To say that he trust his rav for shailos about kashrus but wouldn’t eat a cake he, himself made is just plain silly.
The Wolf
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