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so i bought this hot plate which is apparently from israel…i was told that since it has no knob and doesnt look like a stove i dont need a blech…and that i can even take stuff from my fridge and place it on the hot plat on shabbos…discuss?
I don’t know about that hot plate. We have a k’deirah blech (also called the unblech). It acts like a kli rishon with water inside, so you can put solids on it, but not liquids. What you have sounds like it uses the same premise, but I’m not sure how, since there’s no water inside to make it like a pot.
Bomb, wow. What a tool. Your tone was totally uncalled for. you asked for a discussion and you got one. No need for the mocking tone.
So, if you think it’s assur, why did you buy it??
placing cold food directly on an unadjustable hotplate is a machlokes. The motive of the meikilim is that with cooked, dry food there is no bishul achar bishul. With no knob, there is also no shema yatte, risk of increasing the fire. The remaining issue is mechzi k’mevashel, the appearance of bishul. Since cooking is not usually done on a hot plate, they hold this is not relevant either as noone will think you are cooking raw food.
The hotplate from israel is hot enough to boil water and burn food, just so you know. Especially when brand new. I bought one and learned the hard way. I now put a foil pan upside down on this hotplate and pile everything on top of it except for the soup Friday night because it is liquid, but if there is not enough soup in the pot, it can boil out, otherwise it is very hot soup.
Rav Ovadia Yosef in Yabia Omer 6:32 explicity permits placing cold, cooked food on a plata for the reasons I explained. Mishna Brura 253:55 last line clearly implies that to be a problem of mechzi k’mevashel it must be regularly used for cooking, as he writes ????? ???? ???? ?? ????. Shmiras Shabbos k’Hilchaso 1:71 especially in tikkunim tends to believe it should be muttar, and is lenient to return cooked food that was placed on the floor, roughly equivalent to the fridge. See also Maor HaShabbos in Rav S.Z. Auerbach’s name. Rav Sternbuch in Teshuvos v’Hanhagos is lenient b’Shaas HaDchak. See also Har Tzvi OC 136.
Does this count as real names?
Also, i forgot Igros Moshe OC 4:74:34-35
Putting anything with liquid or that will become liquid in any way is a problem of an issur D’Oraysa.
is liquid, correct. solid that will melt, Magen Avraham is matir
Even if you had a blech, dont forget that you still cant place a cold liquid on it that will start to boil.
yungerman: a cold liquid would be a problem even if it only reaches 110F, it doesn’t need to boil to be an issur dOraisa
Thank you. I should have said if it can become yad soledes bo.
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