July 27, 2021 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1995040
Police officers deliver emotional testimony about violent day at Capitol.
Capitol Police officer castigates Trump for saying his supporters were ‘a loving crowd’
‘The indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful’: D.C. police officer condemns lawmakers downplaying Jan. 6
Cheney warns failure to act on Jan. 6 probe will remain ‘cancer on our constitutional Republic’July 27, 2021 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #1995138
Yup….just a bunch of “tourists” that were “invited in” to the capital by those police. All Pelosi’s fault for not having a sufficient number of “tour guides” availableJuly 27, 2021 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1995140☕️coffee addictParticipant
How did Ashley Babbit die and why did she have to die?
#alllivesmatterJuly 28, 2021 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1995166
Watch the video and you will see her trying to force her way into the Speaker’s Lobby just off the House chamber. Sorry, but find some other dumb Trump rant to post. The capital police showed amazing restraint in trying to protect the members of Congress against these animals and I’m surprised there weren’t more casualties.July 28, 2021 9:18 am at 9:18 am #1995168
Hey Jackk & GH, – Where are all the Commissions on all the Riots during 2020 – 21?
Oh I know – all those Riots and Deaths on Innocent People & Cops, will make the DemonCrats look Bad.
So they only focused on January 6 – to make the Right look Bad.
But anybody with any Brains knows which Party is the Party of Law & Order!July 28, 2021 9:36 am at 9:36 am #1995184
The level of violence was nauseating. I’ve been listening to some of the threatening phone calls that some of these officers are receiving for simply telling the truth.July 28, 2021 9:40 am at 9:40 am #1995235
Babbitts killing was recorded by multiple people.
She was shot by a officer while she was breaking down the door/window into the Senate chambers.
She got justice. editedJuly 28, 2021 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1995258yaakov doeParticipant
Ashli Babbit died by gunshot would suffered while trying to break into a restricted area of the Capital believing that she was following orders from Donald Trump. According to the DOJ and my understanding of halacha the shooting was justified. She was a misguided criminal and I blame the man who called her to DC and ordered the march to the Capital.July 28, 2021 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1995260
Healrh, did you listen yesterday that it is not the same. Your stubborness is out of this workl. You only listen to what you want to listen to. How many cops where killed by them? The Party of Law and Order killed and wounded over 140 police!July 28, 2021 10:09 am at 10:09 am #1995262MadeAliyahParticipant
“How did Ashley Babbit die and why did she have to die?”
Obviously we can’t expect the Democrats to care about her, she was just an evil white insurrectionist who almost destroyed the country by trespassing
The real question is; where are the Republicans on this? Why aren’t they demanding an investigation?July 28, 2021 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1995266
Trump is using the tragic death of Babbit to advance his own agenda just like he will throw his “loyal friends”, supporters and even his kids and grandkids under the proverbial bus if it will make him look better to his “base”. Throwing those close to you under the bus is not unknown in the political world. However backing up and running them over several additional times is uniquely Trumpian.July 28, 2021 10:17 am at 10:17 am #1995289
Made Aliyah: You say the real question is; where are the Republicans on this? Why aren’t they demanding an investigation?
Well, two reasons. First, there was an investigation by career DOJ lawyers and prosecutors and they concluded the shooting was justified. But of course, you don’t believe the investigation results done by a “deep state” bunch of lawyers in your twisted conspiratorial mind so second, most Republicans are totally clueless as to which rabbit trail Trump wants them to follow on any given day. If your screaming about Hunter Biden’s laptop or millions of Martians directed by George Soros voting in swing states, its hard to also scream Gevalt about the tragic fate of some mentally disturbed woman dressed up as a soldier, who broke into the Capital and is attacking police.July 28, 2021 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1995296☕️coffee addictParticipant
And George Floyd was resisting arrest (and all the other criminals too) for a crime he (they) committed, yet because one of it was at “the capitol” and one is at a mom and pop shop that’s why it’s different?July 28, 2021 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1995293
Republicans should also demand an investigation into how the 9/11 terrorists died.
Hodges, a Metropolitan Police officer who was among scores wounded by pro-Trump insurrectionists at the Capitol, acknowledged that defenders of the rioters and allies of the former president might object to the term “terrorists.” But the label was accurate, Hodges told select committee members as he read aloud the definition of domestic terrorism from federal law.
“I can see why someone would take issue with the title of terrorist. It’s gained a lot of notoriety in our vocabulary in the past few decades, and we’d like to believe that no, that couldn’t happen here. No domestic terrorism. No homegrown threats,” Hodges said.
“But I came prepared,” he continued, reading an excerpt of U.S. statute- U.S. Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 113B, Section 2331 – that defines “domestic terrorism” as “activities that involve acts dangerous to human life” that violate criminal law and “appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.” The Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 aimed to disrupt the congressional certification of Donald Trump’s Electoral College loss to President Joe Biden.July 28, 2021 11:01 am at 11:01 am #1995316
this whole thing makes me sick. None of you have changed your script, still reading the pre printed pamphlets and teleprompters. There is absolutely no possibility of finding “truth” when ears are still clogged. Is there EVER going to be a time when there can be a rational discussion about the atrocoties of the day with the ability to sort thru the facts on BOTH sides of what went wrong on BOTH sides without the spewing of party line garbage???
I was in tears over the testimonies of pain and anguish, but AT THE SAME TIME, without diminishing my objectivity toward their trauma, I was also shocked at how they were asked to present so much politics, political opinion etc in their testimonies. How low can these senators go? They NEVER would have testified in the way they did (regarding the embellishments, not the facts) if this were a REAL hearing aimed at actually finding out what REALLY went down.
When will there be a time when people can GROW UP and STEP BACK from their crazy color war and do things with objectivity and integrity without bias and hatred and HYPOCRACY and all this divisive STUPIDITY!!!!!
add on for those too blind to read/hear – – – I am talking about the “hearings”, NOT the riot.July 28, 2021 11:01 am at 11:01 am #1995317
looking forward to the day – somewhere in the 23rd century, when there can actually be a discussion on this. A real, honest to goodness discussion.July 28, 2021 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1995335yaakov doeParticipant
Perhaps, when Trump testifies before the committee under oath he will be asked if he feels any responsibility for the death of Ms Babbit who entered the Capital at the behest of President Trump as did the 500 plus arrested criminals. He called them to DC, asked them to march on the Capital and others speaking to the crowd asked them to fight. He of course after saying he would march with them chickened out and spent the afternoon viewing the insurrection on TV.
Trump’s testimony along with that of Hawley, Boebert, Greene, Cruz, Guiliani and Don Jr will be interesting and may surpass the number who watched the Watergate hearings.July 28, 2021 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1995320
This is the stance of the Republican party.
We will not participate in a bi-partisan investigation into a terrorist insurrection on the US Capitol until we also investigate the BLM riots .
If there were no BLM riots , they would refuse to participate for another dozen reasons.
1) Hunter Biden
2) Clintons emails
They know that they participated in the insurrection and Republican members will be subpoenaed (hopefully Trump also) to testify so they are doing everything to ensure that the committee does not get the full truth.July 28, 2021 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1995341
This topic is a continuation of the topic that I started on January 26, 2021 called NO UNITY After an INSURRECTIONJuly 28, 2021 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1995334
The possibility of what you are asking for flew out the window when the original bill forming the commission ( which passed the House of Representatives on May 19, with all Democrats and 35 Republicans voting in support of it), was blocked by Senate Republicans on May 28, with 54 Senators voting in favor and 35 voting against, failing to clear the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster.
It was buried completely when House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy chose Jim Jordan and Jim Banks to be members of the committee when they both are perpe-“traitors” of the day that the committee is investigating.
The Republicans do not want an honest investigation.
I hope you live into the 23rd century but Klal Yisroel will have more important concerns at that time.
.July 28, 2021 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #1995352
Trump will never appear to answer questions under oath. He will have some “health issue” (acute bonespuritis) which his lawyer will argue precludes his appearance before a Congressional investigating Committee. He might send “Little Donald” to testify on his behalf, or more likely, Eric since he is considered the talmid chacham of the family.July 28, 2021 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1995359
jackk – i do appreciate you responding.
I don’t think any of what you said had anything to do with my point except to support it. So thanks for that. But I will continue to be frustrated at the way people (otherwise intelligent rational people) who are still suffering from TDS I guess, cannot have a conversation about anything around this without going nuts, doing their best to list every possible offense and every single nasty derogatory name they can come up with that will make it thru the mods. I may not know politics but I do know people. That is not called a conversation. that is what people do when they are triggered. Feel free to commence with a defense of said response but my word stands. People are NOT ready to listen or hear ANYTHING outside of their script. And by definition that excludes you from seeking, accepting or contemplating truth.
I will wait. And by waiting I don’t mean Im look forward to a day when it can be discussed, I just mean I will daven that these days end.
Regarding your comment about klal yisroel having more important concerns in the 23rd century. Interesting. So you think right now we don’t? I find that hard to process.July 28, 2021 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1995366
As one of the officers said yesterday (this is a paraphrase), testimony was political because the actions of the terrorists were political.Doesn’t anyone remember the purpose of seizing the capitol was to keep the electoral votes from being certified, certainly that is a political process in our country.July 28, 2021 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1995378MadeAliyahParticipant
>Trump is using the tragic death of Babbit to advance his own agenda<
The Dems used the tragic death of Sicknick to advance their own agenda (until we found out the cause of his death and then naively waited in vain for the Dems to apologize for their shameful lie)
>Well, two reasons. First, there was an investigation by career DOJ lawyers and prosecutors and they concluded the shooting was justified. But of course, you don’t believe the investigation results done by a “deep state” bunch of lawyers in your twisted conspiratorial mind<
Please please don’t call me a “twisted conspiratorial mind”! Of course I believe that all investigation results of the DOJ are sacred, divine and true! In fact that’s why I believe the DOJ should be investigating the Jan. 6 trespassing and not congress.
> so second, most Republicans are totally clueless as to which rabbit trail Trump wants them to follow on any given day.<
Not even on Jan. 6? Then they must have been acting on their own accord.
> If your screaming about Hunter Biden’s laptop or millions of Martians directed by George Soros voting in swing states, its hard to also scream Gevalt about the tragic fate of some mentally disturbed woman dressed up as a soldier, who broke into the Capital and is attacking police.<
If you’re screaming about me screaming about topics I never mentioned and are off topic, isn’t hard to scream about an event that happened 6 months ago?
>Trump will never appear to answer questions under oath. He will have some “health issue” (acute bonespuritis) which his lawyer will argue precludes his appearance before a Congressional investigating Committee. He might send “Little Donald” to testify on his behalf, or more likely, Eric since he is considered the talmid chacham of the family.<
As usual, most of the events that get Dems infuriated happen in their own imagination.July 28, 2021 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1995374
This commission is a far cry from being impartial. Pelosi rejected Jordan and Banks but included Adam Schiff, a hyper political politician who repeatedly lied about having ( but never presented) damning evidence about Trump? She included 2 anti Trump Republicans. In many respects, this is simply Pelosi’s third attempt at impeaching Trump.July 28, 2021 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1995375ubiquitinParticipant
be careful up there on your high horse
Especially given this strange balancing act you’re attempting that high up; as you are as bad as the worst TDS out there.
I know I know like any comment aimed your way this further supports your contention. Pity there are no mirrors that high upJuly 28, 2021 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1995389
adam schiff… now there’s a bastion of impartiality. Even if I agreed with every kookie thing he has ever said I could never honestly call him impartial.July 28, 2021 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1995391
TDS exists as long as there is an orange colored blob publicly declaring his mindless, self-adulatory conspiracy theories which sadly resonate with a hard core base of about 30-35 percent of the electorate. Most of us clinically certified as suffering from TDS have equal contempt for the far left wing of the Dems and those who have implicitly supported their extreme positions in the name of racial equity, diversity, equality or some moral sense of guilt. However, just like there are certain events in the history of most nations that stand out as unique and quasi-existential, the January 6th attacks on the Capital and the electoral college will be shown to have a unique long term significance in American history. The Republicans who live in mortal fear of political reprisals from the Orange Blob will be remembered for their feckless lack of political backbone and courage. At least the AOCs have been consistently irresponsible.July 28, 2021 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1995397
Impeachment has nothing to do with this.
This is about a group of American Terrorists that attacked the capitol building and injured many officers defending it.
The American people deserve to know who was involved and how high did it go.July 28, 2021 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #1995398
I was referring that in 200 years , the Beis Hamikdosh will be standing, Moshiach ben Dovid will be the Melech of Klal Yisroel and this bitter golus in America will be a distant memory.July 28, 2021 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1995409
I agree that we need the truth, but you unfortunately won’t come close to getting to it with the group that Pelosi empaneled.July 28, 2021 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #1995416
all the way up to pelosiJuly 28, 2021 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1995432
What was the sin of Banks and Jordan? They wanted to ask questions as to why pleas of the Capitol police for more help was ignored ( by Pelosi ). Pelosi only wants committee members who think like her, which will result in a lack of any belief in the accuracy of its findings. Recent polls have shown that the % public having confidence in the committee is dropping
To GH and jackk- had the unarmed protestor shot dead by the police been BLM , would the two of you still be so quick to exonerate the cop?July 29, 2021 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1995474
If the Committee was smart, I’m hoping Cheney and other members demand the testimony of Pelosi, the former Chief of the Capital Police, the former Sargents at Arms of the House and Senate and the Mayor of DC regarding their alleged opposition to having the national guard mobilized in riot gear in the days leading up to January 6th and the other legitimate questions raised by both Dems and Republicans. Otherwise, their report will lack any credibility.July 29, 2021 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1995475
If Republicans believe that despite all the evidence contrary that Pelosi was responsible for the January 6th violence, and that they can prove it, then why did they reject the bipartisan commission to investigate it ?
Banks and Jordan are two vocal Trump supporters who voted to challenge certification of President Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory on the day of the attack on the Capitol
They were part of the insurrection. They were completely supportive of the aims of the violent mob.
Jordan was on the phone and in contact with Trump as the mob was violently attacking.
Jim Banks statements after he was chosen showed that he planned to sabotage the commission.
What does BLM have to do with a cop holding his gun at you, telling you not to break in to the senate and you ignoring it ?July 29, 2021 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1995477
RE -“How many cops where killed by them? The Party of Law and Order killed and wounded over 140 police!”
It’s really Sad that you and the other Lib Posters think that the problem in this Country is the Right Wing!
I know it’s not you – it’s just that your God is the DemonCrat Party!
Btw, the only Killing during the Capitol Riot was by Cops!
Here’s the answer to your question:
“Fox news: More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer following the police killing of George Floyd, according to a report released in October.
Also Dorn & Underwood were killed during Floyd protests and scores of Rioters were killed because of the Protests.”
From my previous post:
“Where are all the Commissions on all the Riots during 2020 – 21?
Oh I know – all those Riots and Deaths on Innocent People & Cops, will make the DemonCrats look Bad.
So they only focused on January 6 – to make the Right look Bad.
But anybody with any Brains knows which Party is the Party of Law & Order!”July 29, 2021 12:30 am at 12:30 am #1995483bk613Participant
“ The American people deserve to know who was involved and how high did it go.”
With all due respect do you really think this committees sole goal is to uncover the truth of what happened and who knew what?July 29, 2021 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1995492
” At least the AOCs have been consistently irresponsible.”
love that lineJuly 29, 2021 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1995497
If the rioters were BLM would there have only been one death from the rioters or would they have been massacred?
We all know the answer.July 29, 2021 9:21 am at 9:21 am #1995646
Also Mo Brooks gave a speech to the crowd on January 6 and is being sued for damages caused on January 6.July 29, 2021 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #1995672commonsaychelParticipant
@jackk, thank g-d the is a Jan 6 commission, you posted more stuff about this silly toothless tiger of a commission then you did in the prior 6 monthsJuly 29, 2021 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1995708torahvaluesoverpartyParticipant
Jackk this preconceived narrative that if it was BLM rioting they would have been massacred is absolutely ridiculous. Have you been paying attention at all the past year? Riots in every democrat-run city? Thousands of officers injured, many killed? Yet how many “massacres”? Police officers in general are scared stiff to do anything that might be later deemed as “excessive force”, and therefor racist…
I honestly am disappointed Republicans didn’t agree to a bi-partisan committee. But given how Democrats went after trump, with the impeachment, with taken-out-of context video, showing and exposing their true tds-driven intentions; I can see where R’s are coming from.
Without digging deeper, what happened is obvious. Trump and his supporters weren’t happy with the fraud-filled-election. Fraud that is no longer a “conspiracy theory”. Fraud that is real and has been shown, and revealed the last few weeks. Trump and some R’s gave speeches at rallies, calling for supporters to go to the capitol and “peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard”. Many on the far-right, many of which are likely white-supremacists took the opportunity and hijacked the event. It is beyond me that many think that trump should be held responsible, even more so when Democrats have given far more inflammatory speeches that actually incite violence.July 29, 2021 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1995737
CS, as you said I should be CR of CR, I have ruled and is a known fact that god without being capitalized is an a’z and you are giving respect to it by not writing it out.July 29, 2021 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1995740
GH -“If the Committee was smart, I’m hoping Cheney and other members demand the testimony of Pelosi,”
Do really think this Commission is interested in the Truth?
The whole purpose is make anyone on the Right look Bad & illegitimate!
That’s why they won’t have any Commissions investigating the 2020 – 21 Riots.
And that’s why Pelosi didn’t allow 2 Trump guys on the commission.
She was very Afraid that those 2 will actually bring out the Truth.
Or you can believe Lying Jackk – why Pelosi refused them!July 29, 2021 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1995799
Health, the committee is more intersted to find the truth than you are.July 29, 2021 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1995742
Health, as I said before כל הפוסל במומו פוסל, one who faults, faults with his own faults, Jackk is not a liar.July 29, 2021 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1995780
Republicans send a mob to attack the Congress then Republicans cry about how Pelosi\Democrats didn’t have the people there to stop them.
As the saying goes, “You couldn’t write this stuff”.
Fox news sends a mob to attack the Congress and the Officers defending it, then Fox news cries about how the injured officers are acting.
As the saying goes, “You couldn’t write this stuff”.
Trump sends a mob to attack the Congress and one of the insurrectionists is shot and Trump wants to investigate why she was shot.
As the saying goes, “You couldn’t write this stuff”.July 29, 2021 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1995810
“Health, the committee is more intersted to find the truth than you are.”
Hahaha and you’re calling him a liar?July 29, 2021 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1995813
“Fox news sends a mob to attack the Congress”
New narrative i guess…I’m so behind the times.
Jackk, can i offer you some vacation ideas?July 29, 2021 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #1995824
So what if the trail goes back to the Speaker? I’m far left of any progressive on this forum but if Pelosi had a part in rallying the mob and assisting the terrorists we need to know.
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