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February 22, 2010 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #591269
Isn’t it gezel? Lets see what we can dig up here from the Gemora.
Mekor: Avodah Zorah 31b Gilyonei HaShasFebruary 22, 2010 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #674827oomisParticipant
Would the Gemarah say that Rochel Emainu was a gazlanit?February 22, 2010 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #674828
No, because the Gemora says the opposite of what I say. I am makshey on the sugya.
An answer would be that because the laws of kniyah weren’t enacted yet, because they are midrobonon, and so Rochel Imainu wasn’t oiver on any tokonoh because the tokonoh didn’t exist yet.February 22, 2010 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #674829anuranParticipant
Depends on what you mean by “picks up”. Do you mean “picks up without knowing what it was”, “picks up to melt down in the foundry”, “picks up in a container full of unsorted storage locker contents”, “picks up to install in a temple dedicated to Something with tentacles” or something else? There are serious differences between all of these based on knowledge, intent and consequences.February 22, 2010 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #674830
Picks up. No matter what intent. Even if he wants to be mevatel the avoidah zorah (which he can’t because a Yid can’t be mevatel a goy’s idol)February 23, 2010 6:26 am at 6:26 am #674831
see Rosh Rosh HaShonoh Perek Gimel:9February 23, 2010 7:05 am at 7:05 am #674832
He quotes there that an Avodah Zarah is muttar if it is crushed, like the ashes of an Ir Nidachas which can be used for covering the blood. Also a lulav from Avodah Zarah is muttar (not from Asheirah).
He also says that there is a shitoh that if a Yid was mekaneh the avodah zarah unintentionally, with the intent to be mevatel the Avodah Zarah, he did not acquire it and one can be mevatel it.February 23, 2010 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #674835anuranParticipant
So….your answer to my question is that the question was worth asking. Intention and what one actually does do make important distinctions. And Avraham wouldn’t have to be executed for smashing the idols in his dad’s House O’ Dieties.February 23, 2010 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #674836HeshyMember
Just wanted to mention that the Medrash Rabbah does refer to Rochel Emainu as a ganef or gazlanit (I don’t recall) based on the posik in chumash.
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