April 15, 2012 12:31 am at 12:31 am #602917
I want to ask all the Israeli posters if they enjoyed their 8 day pesach when they usually only have 7! For they, like us, could not under normal circumstances have chometz until after shabbos as they cannot buy the chometz back from the goy on shabbos. (unless they did some shtick like – I dunno if this would work – if a Jew lights the oven on last day yomtov and gets a goy to make a dough in the oven on shabbos for himself but lets the Jew take some).
Also this shabbos in Israel they leined parshas shmini. When do we catch them up? We have 3 double sidras coming up,
so which one do they split while we keep double? I may be wrong but it could be ???? ?????? and if so why is it not the first possible option of ????? ??????April 15, 2012 2:22 am at 2:22 am #869386147Participant
We catch up BeHar BeChukosai
However in leap years such as 2016, 2019, 2022 we don’t catch all the way until Mattos Massei, as happenned in 1978, 1992, 1995, so that Bemidbar is read on Erev Shovu’os rather than Nosso. [In Israel, it is beyond control of the calendar to take care of this issue in such years]April 16, 2012 4:04 am at 4:04 am #869387cheftzeMember
Where can you find an online 100 year Jewish calendar?April 16, 2012 6:48 am at 6:48 am #869388Avi KParticipant
Neither I nor my friends had an eight day Pesach. On Shabbat we ate kitniyot. According to some opinions we could have ate chametz if there were Goyim to give it to us but we did not go that far.April 16, 2012 6:54 am at 6:54 am #869389
As far as chometz – that certainly is hard to do, as all the people still had Pesachdik keilim out, so that would be a problem. But, Israelis had no issue of cooking rice or other kitniyos on Friday to eat on Shabbos on those same Pesach keilim. Personally, I did not – just still had so much meat and other things to finish, but know of many who did.April 16, 2012 7:44 am at 7:44 am #869390
“if a Jew lights the oven on last day yomtov and gets a goy to make a dough in the oven on shabbos for himself but lets the Jew take some”
You forgot about challoh. Though for really small amounts it wouldn’t be an issue, but then again, it wouldn’t be practical…April 16, 2012 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #869391adamsParticipant
there was a question if the Israelis who are spending Pessach in Chu”l in this case can make their own Minyan on this past Shabbos so that they can lain their parsha not 8th day of Pessach.
Rav Zalman Auerbach ZT”L ruled no, because it would be a Zilzul of Yom Tov Sheni.
Yet Tourists in Israel have their own Minyanim on this past SHabbos.April 16, 2012 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #869392Avi KParticipant
Rav Shlomo Zalman also opposed Yom Tov Sheni minyanim in EY but the Chutznikim in Kol Tora did it anyway.April 16, 2012 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #869393YW Moderator-42Moderator
Hebcal.comApril 16, 2012 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #869394popa_bar_abbaParticipant
My brother was in Israel once during this period, and was leaving during it.
He had already caught up, since the yeshiva he was in caught up the first week in their chutz minyan.
So, the last week he was there, he did this:
He went to a 900 minyan and davened shachris.
Then, he went upstairs to the 800 minyan after shmone esrei.
And he heard leining the next week.April 16, 2012 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #869395hello99Participant
Well, I’m going to be in the States for 2 weeks. So, I’m going to hear Shmini again this Shabbos in Chicago, but I’ll miss Acharei Mos-Kedoshim altogether.April 16, 2012 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #869396squeakParticipant
What is a 900 minyan and how much is it per minute?April 17, 2012 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #869397takahmamashParticipant
We enjoyed our humous on Shabbat, and beans in the cholent.
Our neighbor took the “pesach roll” mix and made a schlissel “challah” from it. We even took pictures.April 17, 2012 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #869398NaysbergMember
How’d you take pictures on Shabbos?April 17, 2012 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #869399takahmamashParticipant
The pictures were from Thursday afternoon.April 17, 2012 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #869400🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Hello99: Oh no, youre gonna be in Chicago and we wont know who you are! How can we shower you with our trademark warmth and kindness? Care to meet us all at starbucks? : )April 17, 2012 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #869401147Participant
Having Egg Matzos this past Shabbos should not have been a problem for Israelis, since they can be owned during Pesach.April 18, 2012 6:38 am at 6:38 am #869402
Kitniyos and egg matzos are not chometz. If you had matzos and not challos over shabbos and mainly pesach food (presumably with pesachdig pots and dishes) then you basically kept pesach for 8 days!
Regarding the other point, why do we not split sedras at the first possible opportunity to allow the rest of the world to catch up to eretz yisrael sooner. Why are they leining a double sedra this week and not only tazria?April 18, 2012 9:27 am at 9:27 am #869403
Not sure how that is “keeping” pesach. As the mah nistana says – chometz umatza on any other night. If I had pesach food on Jyly 15th, did I keep Pesach? Of course not.
Pesach is set by the dates in the Torah and had ended by Shabbos in Israel.April 18, 2012 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #869404NechomahParticipant
When I had a baby who needed formula many years ago, my rov told me to prepare anything form kitniyos in a special pot because back in those days all the formulas were only l’ochlei kitnyos. I’m wondering how you can prepare kitniyos in pesachdig keilim.April 18, 2012 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #869405
I would guess that the rabbonim who you asked did not want you to accidentally mix the kitniyos up and those that the Israelis asked were not worried by any such matter. As it is in Israel, the non-ochlei kitniyos folks are very careful about hasgachos and hyper-sensitive as a lot, if not most products are kasher l’fesach lochlei kitniyos. Being that they are hyper sensitive. the chances of an error being made is probably small.
But ask your own local rov. As I had said, we had way too much other food than to focus on rice or other kitniyos.April 18, 2012 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #869406Sam2Participant
Frumisrael: There are Rishonim against that idea (sort of). It’s not Bal Tosif if I refuse to eat Chametz on July 15th. It is Bal Tosif if I refuse on Motza’ei Pesach.April 18, 2012 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #869407hello99Participant
Syag: I’ll be the bearded guy, keep an eye out for meApril 18, 2012 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #869408haifagirlParticipant
Years ago a friend of mine was engaged to a Sephardi. Since we were both moving to EY, it was likely I would eat in her home sometimes. We asked our Rav, and we were told she would have to keep separate non-kitniyos keilim if I were to eat there on Pesach.April 18, 2012 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #869409CsarMember
That’s why people don’t mish on Pesach.April 18, 2012 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #869410NechomahParticipant
frumisrael, it’s not likely that I was going to mix up the formula/cereal that I was planning on feeding my infant with anything else planned for the rest of us. I don’t understand your point.April 20, 2012 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #869411
And the reason for the leining is… ?April 20, 2012 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #869412usa-tralianParticipant
I had a shaila (theoretical) that I was discussing with some people on Acharon Shel Pesach:
What do Sefardim in EY do for washing on the Shabbos immediately following Pesach like this year? They can’t have any Challah, because they can’t buy their Chometz back yet, and they make mezonos on Matzah during the year? So do they have to eat a shiur of 8 k’zeisim of Matzah for each meal? Or is it considered b’dieved that they just make Hamoitzi on Matzah anyway?
Anyone have any first hand experience?April 21, 2012 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #869413
Someone in shul said that the ?????? ????? , an old sfardi sefer, gives a reason why we catch up with ??? ????? by ??? ?????? and not earlier.
He says why do still keep 2 days ??? ??? nowadays if we no longer have a ??? when ??? ???? was? Its because we should not change something done for centuries even if the reason is no longer applicable. So really we could keep only one day like ??? ????? who keep the correct day. If so, why should ??? ????? bend toward ??? ???? and split sedras? They are ok, so they should continue until they come to a reason why they must split sedras for themselves – which is ??? ??????, because ??????? we should lein ????? (and preferably ??? also) just before ??????, so then they split ??? ?????? to achieve this. But they do not split earlier for the convenience of ??? ????.
And anyways, he says, even if they would split at the earliest chance, they would not do so at ????? ????? as this would prolong the reading of ???? of ????? which is not ideal, so the earliest possible split would be ???? ??? ??????.
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