April 23, 2014 2:25 am at 2:25 am #612620
How do we get Jroute and Nissim back ON THE AIR?
Now were stuck with 99% boring old stuff and 1% inspiration (OY), instead of JROUTE that was 99% inspiration and 1% boring stuff!
Oy lanu!April 23, 2014 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #1012748
Am I the only one who feels that Jroute and Nissim were amazing?April 23, 2014 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1012749EpisParticipant
Nope. But ther is really nothing to do. What? You want to make a white House Petition to get them back on?April 23, 2014 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1012750
Epis, I didnt realize that a White House petition is the only effective approach to getting them on the air.
If advertisers feel they will benefit from advertising on Jroute programming, voila, things will happen.
Both Nissim and the idea of 24/6 Jewish programming was amazing and is sorely missed for both inspiration and enjoyment.April 23, 2014 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1012751
You have a spare frequency to lend him?April 23, 2014 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1012752
Get them a license with the FCCApril 23, 2014 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1012754
What’s up with them? After they went down, they were back on, then the frequency is completely quiet.April 23, 2014 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1012755the-art-of-moiParticipant
I miss them too!
Rabbi Klatzko’s shiur was so wonderful. And Reb Nissim is such an amazing guy!!!!!April 23, 2014 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1012756
Start raising money to buy them an FCC license. The most recent sale I found in NYC was for $75 million.April 25, 2014 3:30 am at 3:30 am #1012757
Let’s hold a Chinese Auction!!!!April 25, 2014 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1012758oyyoyyoyParticipant
lets hold back a little ye?April 25, 2014 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1012759NY MomMember
We totally agree with you! We love JRoute and want it back on the air! There is no reason why it shouldn’t be considered a community station which does not cost the station any $. They just need to be approved for it. Everyone should contact their local representatives and request that they be granted that status!!! If anyone has any pull with local politicians PLEASE make a call and let’s see if we can get them back on the air consistently. (Btw, when I’m home or have wifi access, I still listen to them on the website or from the app JRoute Pro – android.) AZOI.IS, thanks for starting this thread!April 25, 2014 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1012760ChaimyParticipant
Its on in my house.April 25, 2014 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1012761goody613Member
anyone turn their radio on? it is back onApril 25, 2014 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1012762
And then back off. Do they have some agreement to use it part-time?April 25, 2014 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #1012763ChaimyParticipant
At 3:45 it went off againApril 25, 2014 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #1012764
Apparently, the FCC is monitoring the coffee room for updates on the status of Jroot.
Every time someone posts that it’s on, they shut them down.April 27, 2014 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1012765
“There is no reason why it shouldn’t be considered a community station which does not cost the station any $. “
Wrong. It is operating on a frequency that a station on Long Island uses, thus reducing the other station’s coverage area and its advertising revenues. Essentially, this is pure theft. How can supposedly frum Jews support such?April 27, 2014 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1012766
Jroot listeners, when Jroot is off, do you hear this L.I. station?April 28, 2014 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1012768
So, you are arguing it is a case of zeh nehne, vzeh lo chassur? Perhaps you would like to send a memo to the FCC explaining this?April 28, 2014 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #1012769
Not the FCC, but it is a good reason that WALK shouldn’t mind striking some deal. Perhaps that is what they did which would explain why they are on sometimes but not all the time.April 28, 2014 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1012770NY MomMember
When JRoute is off the air, 99% of the time I hear ONLY STATIC, so they are not cutting into the LI station’s business. No one is making money off of JRoute. The revenue generated by the advertisements don’t even cover their costs to run the station properly. This station has wonderful frum programming: Jewish music (no kol isha), weekly broadcasts by Rabbonim such as R’ Benzion Klatzko, R’ Dovid Goldwasser, R’ Zecharia Wallerstein, R’ Jonathan Rietti, R’ Mordechai Becher, R’ Duvi BenShushan, and so many more. Both Ashkenazi and Sephardic rabbonim are broadcast. They have a weekly show about Kashrus concerns; they have a shows about kiruv; a weekly show dedicated to classic Jewish music and one dedicated to current Jewish music. The content on JRoute is really valuable to the Jewish population both frum and non-religious. It deserves to be a community radio station as it functions as one already.April 28, 2014 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1012771mom12Participant
I hear nothing!! So as far as I am concerned there is no theft from any L.I. station. Sorry…April 28, 2014 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1012772
which part of operating illegally without a license from the fcc is included in the words “frum programming”?April 28, 2014 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1012773
Apushatayid, I was asking regarding Charlie’s false (according to two anonymous posters on ywn) claim that Jroot’s signal interfered with WALK’s.
As to which is worse, operating a radio station w/o a license, or publicly berating Jroot, why don’t you ask your rov.April 28, 2014 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #1012774mom12Participant
It’s on now..hopefully permenantly…ENJOYApril 28, 2014 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1012775
Operating a station without a license is Genevah. You might say it doesnt infere with WALK, but that is not your decision, its the FCC decision. They have rules how far stations with the same signal can be apart.April 29, 2014 1:14 am at 1:14 am #1012776
Operating a station without a license is Genevah.
It’s illegal, and I am not trying to advocate for it, but you throw around terminology very carelessly. Suddenly, you’re a big machmir.
You might say it doesnt infere with WALK, but that is not your decision, its the FCC decision.
No, ZD, the FCC doesn’t decide which radio waves interfere with others. They didn’t make up the laws of physics.April 29, 2014 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1012777
“When JRoute is off the air, 99% of the time I hear ONLY STATIC, so they are not cutting into the LI station’s business.”
It is when they ARE transmitting that they will be cutting into the coverage area of the LI station.
“I was asking regarding Charlie’s false (according to two anonymous posters on ywn)”
What experience do you have with radio broadcast technology? I happen to have once been the chief engineer of an FCC-licensed FM station. I also post under my real name.
“Operating a station without a license is Genevah.
It’s illegal, and I am not trying to advocate for it, but you throw around terminology very carelessly. Suddenly, you’re a big machmir.”
Ok, then please explain why reducing the audience of another station *isn’t* genevah.
“the FCC doesn’t decide which radio waves interfere with others. They didn’t make up the laws of physics.”
The FCC has engineers who can determine using the laws of physics how far to transmitters need to be apart in order to avoid reducing the coverage area of either. JRoot needs to hire an engineer and apply to the FCC for a license — which they won’t get if they are interfering with the Long Island station. In fact, they probably would not get one anyway because they now have a chazakah of lawbreaking. And this claims to be a “frum” station?April 29, 2014 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1012778
Charlie, did you measure the signal? If not, then you really don’t know that it’s cutting into their signal, do you.
You weren’t the anonymous poster(s) I was referring to.
(I am listening to an acapella version of Yaaleh V’yavo as I post. I think it’s from Miami Boys’ Choir.) (Now someone’s singing Carlebach’s Hinei Kel.)April 29, 2014 3:28 am at 3:28 am #1012779
Just because it isnt theft, doesnt mean it isnt illegal. Or wrong. Certainly not “frum”.April 29, 2014 3:49 am at 3:49 am #1012780
True.April 29, 2014 7:26 am at 7:26 am #1012781–Participant
When JRoute is off the air, 99% of the time I hear ONLY STATIC, so they are not cutting into the LI station’s business.
But have you checked what affect their signal has on the adjacent channels? There are 2 second-adjacent channels whose coverage area includes Brooklyn, WQHT and WSKQ.April 29, 2014 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1012782
Also true, in fact it could theoretically be interfering with WALK in its broadcast area, even if WALK’s signal doesn’t reach all areas which Jroot’s does.
I just don’t think people should be throwing around accusations without knowledge, and even with knowledge, unless toeles halachically justifies it.April 29, 2014 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1012783
The FCC Makes the rules how far a signal has to be free for a radio station. Even if you claim its not stealing, its still Dinah D’Malchusa Dina and would then fall under the same category as running a red light , blowing a Stop Sign because you are late to minyan or Disobeying zoning laws to build a yeshiva.
FYI there is something called low-power radio . Which allows very low power (Like 1 Watt broadcating) without much ado about getting a license it does not cost in the millions to get one. Several such stations operation in Brooklyn and the broadcast area is about a mile. They would give you a differnt frequency than 97.5 . perhaps one like 97.6.
Also there is digital radio which allows the 97.5 frequence to be split up into I think 5 subfrequencies without interferring with WALKApril 29, 2014 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #1012784Eli WillnerParticipant
The likelihood that JRoot interferes with any radio station whatever is slim to none. Its signal is so weak that you can barely hear the station outside of Flatbush and Boro Park.
As for geneiva, I leave that to poskim, not to posters who seem to pull halacha out of their bellies, to match their political persuasions. And I haven’t heard any poskim speak to the issue. Although the fact that several prominent poskim continue to appear on Jroot, probably should tell you something.April 29, 2014 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1012785
Even if you claim its not stealing, its still Dinah D’Malchusa Dina and would then fall under the same category as running a red light , blowing a Stop Sign because you are late to minyan
You shouldn’t use halachic terminology without researching if it really applies.
Would you also compare it to going 60 in a 55 mph zone?April 29, 2014 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1012786FerdParticipant
You people are such ignoramuses, it’s almost laughable.
I happen to have a HAM (amature) radio license, and studied the FCC laws.
For starters, the station from Long Island (WALK) can be clearly heard in my car in Brooklyn. That being said, WALK has many listeners in Queens on the border with LI (JFK area), and THOSE people can’t hear them well because of Jroot interfering. It is obvious that Jroot was getting waaaaay to comfortable, and had a stronger transmitter than when they started. They got stronger and stronger until you were able to hear them (with lots of static) while driving on the Belt Pkwy going towards Queens. This would cause heavy static for those trying to listen to WALK in Queens…..and WALK has every right to every inch of their territory. What Jroot did was outright geneiva and personally I find it outrageous that rabbonim would be giving shiurim on Jroot.
I can also say with my vast radio knowledge, that in the past 2 days, when they are up and down, they are brodcastig on a MUCH lower wattage then previously. They are probably juts trying to keep the station alive, and not rock the boat.
Believe me, it’s too late.
WALK owns this. Anyone involved with 97.5 is a thieving crook.April 29, 2014 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1012787To be or not to beMember
Chances are that the rabbonim on the station don’t know what the deal is with the frequency, and to tell you the truth mister “outrageous”(“ferd”) you probably didn’t think about it until this thread came up so chill out. That Said WALK is totally right but please leave our rabbonim out of thisApril 29, 2014 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1012788
Are you sure it is without an agreement?
I don’t know why you would find it outrageous that a Rav gave a shiur when invited to do so without researching their liscence and FCC laws. Do they research the zoning laws of every Shul before Darshening there? Now that it was brought out it remains to be seen what they will do.April 29, 2014 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1012789FerdParticipant
I personally called Rabbi Goldwasser to ask him.
Is that enough, mister calling me a liar?
And Rabbi Belsky gave a heter to many people to participate in different aspects on Jroot. This is public information.
So cut the garbage. The rabbonim knew the deal all along. Stop defending them.April 29, 2014 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1012790
I personally called Rabbi Goldwasser to ask him.
What did you ask him, and what did he answer?April 29, 2014 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1012791
Unfortunately, Rabbi Belsky doesnt make or enforce the FCC rules.April 29, 2014 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1012792To be or not to beMember
Sorry if my tone was a bit harsh I did not mean to call you a liar . however,I really pity you .”The rabbonim knew the deal all along. Stop defending them”???. did you ever hear about being dan even the simplest jew lkaf zchus.? Read the rest of the posts here ALL of them have opinions, but none of them saw the need to attack and malign rabbonim. To be you dan lkaf zchus, you probably are going through a rough period in life just keep trying and smiling and may hashem only bring simcha to you’re life.April 29, 2014 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1012793
“The likelihood that JRoot interferes with any radio station whatever is slim to none. Its signal is so weak that you can barely hear the station outside of Flatbush and Boro Park.”
So, your argument is that this is a case of zeh nehne vzeh lo chaser? I’m not sure this is in the FCC rule book.
“As for geneiva, I leave that to poskim, not to posters who seem to pull halacha out of their bellies, to match their political persuasions.”
Dina diMalchusa is not pulling halacha from ones belly.
“And I haven’t heard any poskim speak to the issue.”
Until you do, it might behoove you to stop accusing people of pulling halacha from their belly.
“Although the fact that several prominent poskim continue to appear on Jroot, probably should tell you something.”
Yes, that it likely never enetered their mind that their is such a thing called an FCC license.April 29, 2014 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #1012794
I seriously doubt many rabbanim read the FCC rule books, its thousands of boring pages. I doubt many even heard of WALK before this broke. Likely some Askanim came to them as told them they wanted to put some Kosher radio on and they said it was a good idea and they gave thier blessing.April 29, 2014 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1012796
Dina diMalchusa is not pulling halacha from ones belly.
The application might be.
Look, we live in a country which has been very good to us, and I don’t think we should be breaking their laws, I don’t think Jroot should be illegally broadcasting, and I don’t think having inspirational content is a valid justification. I just don’t like the fact that people are pulling the dina d’malchusa and geneiva cards where they probably don’t apply. Save them for where they do apply.April 29, 2014 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1012797oyyoyyoyParticipant
mima nafshach. if rabbi belsky said its ok then its ok no matter what your feeble knowledge of halacha tells you. if not then not. frankly if he says its ok and the fcc says it isnt, although it may not be nice, he certainly knows about dina dmalchusah and their in the clear with hashemApril 29, 2014 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1012798Eli WillnerParticipant
People who call something geneiva (or accuse them of violating dina d’malchusa) without the credentials to pasken and without consulting someone who does have the credentials are pulling halacha out of their bellies, whether they turn out to be right or wrong. And if in fact they turn out to be wrong, well, there are serious issue of motzei shem rah they are opening themselves up to.
Halacha is not a function of someone’s intuition and if the someone has a known bias it is even less a function of his intuition.
Example: bor birshus harabim is not liable for damage to keilim. Intuitive? No. Halacha? Yes. Another example: there are respected poskim who hold that copying a music CD isn’t geneiva. Intuitive? No. Halacha (according to those poskim)? Yes.
As observant Jews we are supposed to be following the shulchan aruch in the manner that our poskim instruct us, not our guts.April 29, 2014 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1012799YITZCHOK2Participant
Do I need to check and see if every shul is built according to zoning laws before I walk in?
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