How does one define a rasha?
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September 6, 2012 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #604797
is he bad because he does bad things? what if he doesn’t know any better? what if he thought what is bad is ok? is he still a rasha?September 6, 2012 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #978497icedMember
Tinok Shenishba.September 6, 2012 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #978498
one who goes against the torah, sins, and indulges in forbidden pleasures of life. All this of course if he does so knowingly, and with full knowledge that it is wrong.
For goyim, those immoral people who continue to violate and transgress the 7 mitzvos m’bnei Noach.September 6, 2012 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #978499SayIDidIt™Participant
SiDi™September 7, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #978500September 7, 2012 3:58 am at 3:58 am #978501SaysMeMember
sidi-it wasnt funny, and it wasnt niceSeptember 7, 2012 4:17 am at 4:17 am #978502September 7, 2012 5:38 am at 5:38 am #978503Shopping613 🌠Participant
Kapusta: please what?
Is this related to the drop a friend post where as someone said my friends friend is a rasha and my friend didn’t mean it that way at all…?
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The Founder, Awarder, and Head of Operations of SUCSeptember 7, 2012 6:21 am at 6:21 am #978504SayIDidIt™Participant
I think she disliked my joke…
SiDi™September 7, 2012 7:49 am at 7:49 am #978505Shopping613 🌠Participant
That was a JOKE? Seriously please don’t post jokes on serious threads unless you are Zeeskite or PBA, cuz no one ever beleives them anyways…..speaking of Zeeskite.. where is SHE?
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The Founder, Awarder, and Head of Operations of SUCSeptember 7, 2012 9:20 am at 9:20 am #978506September 7, 2012 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #978507Charles ShortMember
If you willfully try to nullify one of the 613 commandments, e.g. continuously pray to a false god about rebuilding a city defiled by idolatry within the last yovel period, then you might be a rasha.September 7, 2012 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #978508
if we all have potential, and an innate animalistic nature to be murderers, theives, etc. just the opportunity doesn’t present itself, yet if it WOULD you would transgress, does that mean you are a rasha? i mean this seriously. if someone would ask you “would you ever steal?” of course you answer “chal v’sholom”. But if nobody is around and you are alone starving and a food is in front of you with no apparent owner, and you make the decision to eat it with 1 million excuses, are you a rasha?September 7, 2012 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #978509interjectionParticipant
Actions do not determine rishus. Rishus is determined by a mindset.September 7, 2012 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #978510sheinMember
Actions do not determine rishus. Rishus is determined by a mindset.
Actions DO determine rishus.March 7, 2013 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #978511
Why should a ‘potential rasha’ be called a rasha? What is your hava mina? A rasha is one who DOES avairos. period. Please explain yourself.March 7, 2013 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #978512rebdonielMember
I’d suggest listening to the shiurim of R’ Boruch Simon on YUTorah from the past 2 weeks or so- he addresses issues of who is a rasha b’zman hazeh and more recently looks into who is really pasul l’edus b’zman hazeh.
More broadly, he is giving shiur on inyanim in ein adam meisim atzmo rasha.March 7, 2013 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #978513
A Rasha is an individual who does evil for the sake of doing evil.
And goyim that violate their little set of Noahides.March 7, 2013 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #978514
A person that ‘stole’ instead of starving to death is not necessarily a bad person. Just someone who had a challenge. He didn’t steal for the sake of stealing, he stole for the sake of surviving. There is a difference. (And no, I never had that challenge)March 7, 2013 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #978515
Lapid.March 7, 2013 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #978516realtalkMember
Let G-d decide.March 7, 2013 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #978517
sharp, someone who stole to survive did nothing wrong.March 7, 2013 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #978518SpiderJerusalemParticipant
Anyone who disagrees with me or my rabbi is a rashaMarch 7, 2013 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #978519
Exactly. That’s why he’s not a Rasha. His survival instincts kicked in. Who said otherwise?March 8, 2013 12:25 am at 12:25 am #978520
No, he’s not a rasha because li’halacha you are allowed to steal to save a life.March 8, 2013 3:37 am at 3:37 am #978521
I agree. And it’s not considered stealing, that’s why I used quotation marks. I quoted a previous poster.March 8, 2013 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #978522
Avi Weiss.March 8, 2013 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #978523David Bar-MagenMember
A rasha is that guy who leans his entire body against the pole in a subway car when it’s crowded to capacity.
A rasha tries to win an argument by being louder than you.
A rasha does not make breaks between paragraphs.
A rasha puts pepper in the salt shaker and then loosens the top.
A rasha takes your armrest during a long flight and then falls asleep on you.
A rasha occupies two parking spots.
A rasha eats all the red jellybeans in the bag.
A rasha takes all the cheese off his pizza.
A rasha has loud cell phone conversations in the bathroom.
A rasha sings a lot of slow tunes when he is chazan for mussaf.
Hope this helps.March 8, 2013 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #978524
ok i will try to explain my question better. if someone can be swayed to do an avaira easily (if put in the wrong place at the wrong time), how can he be considered anything but a rasha? He is not a strong person spiritually AT ALL and he will readily bend to do avairos whenever the chance presents itself. just since he is living among frum jewish neighbours and friends and he will be looked down upon if he attempts to do it, and is only holding himself back because he would be embarassed by them. but be’etzem he would do the avaira if noone is around.
bekitzur, is a person a rasha if he definitely WOULD do terrible avairos (like eating non-kosher, being mechalel shabbos, or the like), if the only thing that’s holding himself back is his seviva, or the watchful eyes of his family etc.?March 8, 2013 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #978525PBTMember
A Rosha is someone who purposely violates Torah him or herself, and so hates Torah that he or she will do everything the can think of to prevent others from living a Torah-centered life as well. When such people do act as if they have respect for Torah observance, it’s merely a ploy to get the Torah observer to let down their guard to the Torah hater can more easily succeed in his or her newest offensive against Torah.March 8, 2013 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #978526
1) Hashem only puts a person in a trying situation if he can handle it. If he will not be able to overcome the nisayon, then Hashem wouldn’t present that nisayon for him.
2) In these difficult times, it is incumbant on every person to LEARN A MUSSAR SEFER during the week. To be mechazek, to build our character, and to steer us on to the correct path of life.
3) If he didn’t DO it, he’s not accounted for. Bad intentions don’t count if he didn’t DO it. So, no, he would not be in the catagory of a rasha.March 8, 2013 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #978527🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
It says machshava tova c’maayseh. The same is not true about the opposite. In fact, if it is harder for him to resist, he’ll be punished for doing it less than for someone who could have easily resisted.March 8, 2013 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #978528
those were hilarious!October 10, 2013 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #978529
i understand that Hashem does’nt test someone with a test he can’t handle. but what about a bad habit (which is sinful)that one can’t stop himself from, or someone with an addiction which violates torah law – is he a rasha? he nebach can’t stop himself from transgressing! but is he innocent? he has no bechira to a certain extent. no?October 10, 2013 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #978530HaLeiViParticipant
He is born with a challenge and it is his job to overcome it and learn how to deal with it, channel it, hamper it, cry about it, do Teshuva for it and look for options. Hashem knows the heart and has patients. We have to try to help. The person is a Rasha when, instead of dealing with it, he becomes proud of it and makes it his Shita.October 10, 2013 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #978531midwesternerParticipant
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@tzaddiq: R’ Tatz expounds on this extensively (I read it in The Thinking Jewish Teenager’s Guide to Life), but I will try to put it in a few sentences.
If someone is, say, a kleptomaniac. He can’t control his impulses to steal. Does he have free will in this area of his life? Is he found liable in her country’s legal system? Probably not. He can’t control his inborn trait to steal. In Judaism however, the “system” works completely different. The urge may very well be outside his area of free will/freedom but the action of stealing is within his free choice. The point of free will is whether he yields to his nature or not.
Bottom line is: You can’t control your background, inborn nature, character traits, and many events that will ultimately affect what type of ordeals you have to overcome. You can blame whatever or whoever you want for the fact that you came across this ordeal, but how you handle the ordeal is your doing entirely, your free will.October 10, 2013 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #978533Lost1970Member
Technically, a Conservodox is as much a Rasha as a Conservative and Reformist. But keeping all laws is difficult.October 10, 2013 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #978534rebdonielMember
a wicked person; the opposite of the “Tzaddik,” the righteous person. This individual rejects the Kingship of HaShem, rejects the Mitzvot, the Commandments, and rejects the Morality of the Torah, thinking he can define it on his own. Generally, the “Rasha” is concerned only about his own interests, rather than about the “zulat,” the other. He or she remove themselves from the larger community, be it the Jewish community or the general community.October 10, 2013 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #978535Sam2Participant
Lost: Of course not. The more Mitzvos and fewer Aveiros that one does, the less of a Rasha they are. They might still be a Rasha, but they are certainly less of one (I feel like the Gemara in either Yevamos or Sanhedrin 32b says like this).October 10, 2013 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #978536Lost1970Member
Thank you. I hope to reach at least Conservadox level of observance — I do not know when I can do more.October 11, 2013 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #978537achosidParticipant
Someone who uses a cattle prod, is a rasha.October 11, 2013 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #978538nishtdayngesheftParticipant
I guess you are referring to someone like Temple Grandin who recommends its use periodically on recalcitrant animals who need a good zap to get moving.
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