March 29, 2018 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1501548
?March 29, 2018 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1501608👑RebYidd23Participant
In what context?March 29, 2018 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #1501718FreddyfishParticipant
Someone who is careful to keep his utensils in a state of tahara is called a chaver by the gemara look in gemara avoda zara approximately daf ayin (70).Read artscroll commentary!!!March 29, 2018 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1501753
Read artscroll commentary!!!
Ah that’s why I didn’t know the answer.
But anyway, I was referring to Chaver in the context of “Ya’amod heChaver Ploni ben Ploni…”March 29, 2018 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1501744
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rabbinic-titles/#post-1024734March 29, 2018 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1501754JosephParticipant
Bill Clinton ordained Yitzchok Rabin as a Chaver at his funeral.March 29, 2018 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1501755
: When you have a chaver it doesn’t mean a crony. A chaver means somebody who helps you in your business. Let’s say you have a partner who helps you make money; so after you finish your business hours you go home and you forget about him. Do you have to call him up late at night and talk to him all hours of the night?! You have to talk to him and confide in him all your private affairs?! No! He’s a chaver in business, that’s all.March 29, 2018 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1501761
Interesting. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard people called up as “heChaver Rav Ploni….”March 29, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1501769
My grandfather gets called up to the Torah as “Hachaver ***** ben Hechaver ****”.
I have tried to work out the criterion for this kibbud, but to no avail.March 29, 2018 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1501794littleeemaParticipant
The title is used in Yekkeshe kehillos. It is given to someone who has served the community, often to mark a special birthday (60, 65…). In Breuer’s, the chover’s wife must cover her hair. Breuers also gives “Chover Tittel” (as it’s called) to a young man who has learned for a few years after marriage (I believe 2) and (once again) if his wife covers her hair.
My father-in-law z”l was a Chover. My husband told my children it’s part of their Kibbud Av vaEm towards their grandfather to use the title when making a mi shebeirach for my husband.March 29, 2018 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1501821
Is there some kind of ordainment ceremony?March 30, 2018 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1501845emanParticipant
Not every wife of a Chover in Breuers kehiloh had their hair covered. Will not name names.April 2, 2018 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #1502332
In reply to Meno, I’m sure there is an ordainment ceremony but don’t know what it involves. There is a very long nusach in a certificate that is awarded. I suppose שרשי מנהג אשכנז duscusses it.April 2, 2018 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1502329
Littleeema is correct. The title is an award for outstanding service to the kehilla. This would be appropriate in the cases of Yekke2’s grandfather and great grandfather.
There was a gentleman in Manchester who was awarded the title of Chover a few years ago. It was a surprise to him as part of a hachnosas sefer torah that he was part of. He later said it was the best moment of his life. This is a flavour of how significant the title is to a “Yotzei Ashkenaz” (yekke).April 2, 2018 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1502351
Geordie:Littleeema is correct. The title is an award for outstanding service to the kehilla. This would be appropriate in the cases of Yekke2’s grandfather and great grandfather.
That’s interesting. I am pretty sure there are those in the GGBH who have the title without any noticeable contribution to the community or society. (Although I could be ignorant of their history)April 2, 2018 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1502402147Participant
B’H I don’t have to worry about qualifications for “Chover”, because B’H I merited to earn myself a Semicho, so someone with Semicha, this surpasses title of Chover which becomes a moot point to my situation.April 2, 2018 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #1502420JosephParticipant
What’s to stop any old yodel from self-entitling himself Chover?April 3, 2018 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1502434Avi KParticipant
YU has had a Chaver program since 5739. “The Chaver Program is a kollel for men entering or completing professional studies other than the rabbinate. Study programs in Gemarah, Halakha and ethics have been established for students who delay their entrance to graduate schools of medicine, law, psychology and business. Participants pursue a post-college year of intense study of Talmud and Halacha related to their professional goal while attending regular RIETS shiurim.” (from the YU website). I think that they also have to write and defend a thesis.
In Israel, Eretz Hemdah has revived the higher title Morenu. Baalei battim learn through source sheets and shiurim and take exams.April 3, 2018 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1502429
147, not necessarily. In Hungary the title was awarded for outstanding scholarship. In ‘Guardian of Jerusalem’ it says that Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld’ was awarded the title of Chover at his aufruf. He was called up as Hachoson Hachover Harav Chaim ben … (as far as I remember. If anyone has the book to hand I would be happy to be corrected)
Joseph, the same as what stops any yodel entitling themselves Dr, Professor, Duke, Prince, etc etc. I.e. nothing but self respect.April 3, 2018 9:01 am at 9:01 am #1502472
Avi K has reminded me that I was wrong in my previous post. Rav YC Sonnenfeld was awarded the title Morenu at his aufruf. I need to look in the book again.April 11, 2018 7:20 am at 7:20 am #1505012ChaverParticipant
I got the title when signing up for YWN.😊April 11, 2018 9:36 am at 9:36 am #1505033okayParticipant
In “Breuers” there are generally three ways to get the title “chaver”. Either by becoming 60 years old, or by being awarded chosson beraishis, or when getting married if your wife will cover her hair and you will stay learning for one year after marriage and the rov of the kehilla is mesader kidushin, then you will be called hachaver under the chuppa.April 11, 2018 9:59 am at 9:59 am #1505064Reb EliezerParticipant
In the gemora’s time Rabbi Eloazor was a Talmid Chover to Rabbi Yochanan.April 11, 2018 10:11 am at 10:11 am #1505075Reb EliezerParticipant
The Chasam Sofer did not call his talmid the Maharam Ash (Imrei Aish) talmidi because he considered him to be a Talmid Chover. The Imrei Aish called the Chasam Sofer a רב ששכח תלמידו.
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