September 26, 2010 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #592456
Once a great Rosh Yeshiva was sitting at a wedding with his wife (yes, with his wife). When dessert came, his eyes opened wide and he took a huge slice of cake, then another.
His wife said “You shouldn’t be having that.”
And he said “that’s it — separate seating at simchas”
(from a forward)September 26, 2010 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #698324Ben TorahParticipant
SJS, I’m glad you chose the appropriate category for this post — HUMOR & ENTERTAINMENT!September 27, 2010 12:34 am at 12:34 am #698326telegrokMember
WONDERFUL!!!September 27, 2010 3:07 am at 3:07 am #698327
I know its just a joke but I really don’t appreciate this type of humor that clearly is poking fun at Rosh Yeshivas and how they make decisions or make a psak, as well as making fun of the concept of separate seating which is no joke and is so necessary bizman hazeh lo alaynu what goes on out there.
I’m pretty sure there was an Al Cheit on Yom Kippur for this type of humor.September 27, 2010 3:30 am at 3:30 am #698328oomisParticipant
WIY, c’mon – it was funny, and it wasn’t aimed at anyone IRL.
As to what goes on “out there,” at simchas, I doubt much of anything is going on except for people being m’sameach with the baalei simcha.September 27, 2010 3:42 am at 3:42 am #698329Ben TorahParticipant
I’m with WIY all the way on this one. Well said. It truly is sad when people feel the liberty to make light at Daas Torah.September 27, 2010 3:43 am at 3:43 am #698330sof davar hakol nishmaMember
that’s why its a joke, it would have never happened.September 27, 2010 4:06 am at 4:06 am #698331mw13Participant
WIY: Well said. This joke was distasteful at best, laitzunos at worst.
“WIY, c’mon – it was funny”
That may be true, but just because something is funny doesn’t mean it’s OK to say it.
“As to what goes on “out there,” at simchas, I doubt much of anything is going on except for people being m’sameach with the baalei simcha.”
Here we go again…
When there is mixed seating, people often look at people of the opposite gender in way that they shouldn’t. This is bad. Very bad.
Ben Torah: I wouldn’t go so far as to accuse this joke of “making of Daas Torah”(paraphrased). I think it was just done in bad taste.September 27, 2010 4:24 am at 4:24 am #698332
Some topics should not be joked about even if there is humor to them and its technically funny. Whatever the joke is worth, we lose a lot more when we make jokes about certain topics, as it says, Leitzanus achas doche meah tochachos. Im not trying to nit pick, we just have to realize that if we make such jokes and find such jokes funny we automatically lose respect for whatever who whomever is the content of the joke. Think about it, really think about it, then tell me once you joke about something you can never have the same respect you had for the thing, true or not true?September 27, 2010 9:42 am at 9:42 am #698333
Actually, I don’t think its poking fun at daas Torah really. I think its more poking fun at the dynamics between a husband/wife and the “nagging wife” character than daas Torah.September 27, 2010 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #698334
The joke has a few things going on that make up the joke. Maybe the main part is husband and wife dynamics, but the way the message is conveyed knocks daas Torah so its not appropriate. I can be sure this joke wasn’t invented by someone who respects Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshivah.September 27, 2010 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #698335bptParticipant
Very funny, SJS!September 27, 2010 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #698336
WIY, I think Daas Torah generally makes well thought out decisions (except when askonim out and out lie to them). I didn’t invent the joke, it was just forwarded to me so I can’t comment on the original person’s intent.September 27, 2010 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #698337theprof1Participant
Of course it was a joke. Oh and exactly what is the definition of leitzonis? Joking? There actually is an al cheit for that. Leitzonis is making a joke out of yidishe minhagim. And it’s quite unlikely that this actually happened since quite esteemed and respected Roshei Yeshiva did sit with their wives and families at one table.September 28, 2010 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #698338
Ok. We’ll modify the joke to pacify the complainers.
An askan witnessed the exchange between Rosh Yeshiva and Rebbetzin and quickly wrote up a letter that he had signed by everyone with the surname Shlita. From that day on, its been separate seating.September 28, 2010 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #698339
Shes a shogeg, but you are a mazid. You clearly have no respect for Daas Torah. What kind of example do you set for your kids if this is your attitude?September 28, 2010 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #698340
WIY. I refer you to a Kli Yakar in parshas Naso that explains the difference between a Nazir who becomes tamei and one who does not.September 29, 2010 2:59 am at 2:59 am #698341
WIY. My respect for Daas Torah is directly proportional to the amount of Daas displayed and Torah acquired by any individual. Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.September 29, 2010 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #698342mw13Participant
WIY: I really don’t think apushatayid’s version was so disrespectful of Daas Torah… it was more making fun of askonim who twist the Rabbonim’s words.
“Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.”
Uncalled for.September 29, 2010 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #698343BrokerParticipant
I think its very funny.
FYI, there was a well known Posek Hador who attended his grandson’s wedding where there WAS separate seating but NO mechitzah,September 29, 2010 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #698344myfriendMember
Blaming “askanim” as an underhanded attack upon Daas Torah, even in generic form, is no less ignoble.
Broker – and how exactly was the women’s dancing made non-viewable to the men?September 29, 2010 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #698345
“Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.”
I dont need your respect, but someone who doesnt respect Daas Torah will certainly not anonymous respect others on a forum.October 3, 2010 4:58 am at 4:58 am #698346
WIY. If you believe I am making fun of daas torah and have no respect for it, that’s your perogative. You are entitled to your belief, as wrong and as misguided as it might be.October 3, 2010 5:00 am at 5:00 am #698347
“Myfriend”. Perhaps it is your problem with daas torah that leads you to interpret the way you do, and then assume its what I mean.October 3, 2010 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #698349MiriamMember
Very funny! I bet this Rosh Yeshiva is a great teacher. Humor goes along way in teaching and learning…………
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