February 13, 2011 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #594979knishMember
how many frum jews are there in the state of new york?
how many frum jews are there in the state of new jersey?
how many frum jews are there in the world?
how many frum jews are there in isreal?
please tell me i need to know for a research project.February 13, 2011 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #886111popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Well, there is a mitzva to live in Eretz Yisroel.
So I guess the answer to the first two question is “zero”.February 13, 2011 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #886112HealthParticipant
Isreal Is Really spelled Israel!February 14, 2011 12:42 am at 12:42 am #886113A23Participant
If someone does have the answers, please add on:
how many frum jews are there in the United States?February 14, 2011 12:49 am at 12:49 am #886114WolfishMusingsParticipant
how many frum jews are there in the United States?
How do you define “frum?”
The WolfFebruary 14, 2011 1:14 am at 1:14 am #886115pet peeveMember
shomer shabbos.February 14, 2011 1:41 am at 1:41 am #886116WolfishMusingsParticipant
And how do you define that? If someone uses a controversial eruv, are they still Shomer Shabbos?
The WolfFebruary 14, 2011 1:49 am at 1:49 am #886117observanteenMember
Whoa. You sure are a challenge, Wolf. I think you know the answers, doncha’?February 14, 2011 2:02 am at 2:02 am #886118pet peeveMember
there is a lot of controversy in the definition of “frum”, and I am not at all prepared to discuss the nuances of such a broad word, especially with someone as well learned and knowledgeable as yourself.
define shomer shabbos for yourself, and use that as your own definition of frum.
theres got to be some ground that we can all safely call frum/shomer shabbos.February 14, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am #886119bombmaniacParticipant
Wolf may or may not be well learned…asking ridiculous and irrelevant questions is no indication of erudition.February 14, 2011 5:59 am at 5:59 am #886120s2021Member
Lol popa!February 14, 2011 6:43 am at 6:43 am #886121600 Kilo BearMember
Take 20% of the Israeli Jewish population
Add to that 10% of the world Jewish population
As for NY I think the answer is 300,000 but I am not sure
NJ – no ideaFebruary 14, 2011 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #886122ItcheSrulikMember
Why is it ridiculous? How many shomrei shabbos are there in the world who would be surprised that you don’t consider them shomrei shabbos?February 14, 2011 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #886124mikehall12382Member
I’m surprised no one mentioned the fact that we are not allowed to count people…Isn’t it in this weeks parsha?
As for wolf’s comment he is spot on…I’m sure there are people here that would not consider some MO people frum cause they may have a TV or go to a mixed school, but These people would define themselves as such….
observanteen, you should be a little more respectful….
doncha think?February 14, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #886126
Even using the most liberal criteria, there are a lot less Orthodox than is claimed. For that matter, there are a lot less Jews overall than claimed.February 14, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #886127zaidy78Participant
I read a number of years back that it is estimated that there are about 250,000 chareidim in the entire world.
How does one define chareidim, I don’t know?
How does one define frum, I don’t know?
If the criteria is shmiras shabbos, must be much higher, if the criteria is black hat and to the right of that it is probobly much lower.February 14, 2011 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #886128shlishiMember
there must be about 100,000 in the boro park/flatbush/williamsburgh/crown heights area alone!February 14, 2011 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #886129
Why do you say that shlishi?February 14, 2011 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #886130shlishiMember
educated guess. there are no official stats on the issue this thread discusses. how many frum jews would you guess live in boro park alone?February 14, 2011 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #886131akupermaParticipant
What if they speak Lashon Hora? What if they discuss business on Shabbos? What about people who don’t spend all day doing Torah and Mitsvos.
How about a definition the covers anyone who always refuses a job on Shabbos, and keeps some standard of kashrus (at least on a level that they can’t go out to work with goysha coworkers). Being mesiras nefesh to be Jewish seems a good factor in being “frum”, and it leaves out virtually all non-orthodox Jews.
Probably well under 20% of Jewish adults (under a million), but perhaps almost half of children (suggeting big changes are coming).February 15, 2011 4:36 am at 4:36 am #886133
The politicians probably have a pretty fare idea of borough demography, but you’re not going to get anywhere near 100,000. I bet Marvin Schick could make a good estimate. How many Lubavichers do you think are in Crown Heights?February 17, 2011 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #886134canineMember
According to various reports quoted in the (secular) media Satmar alone has 150,000 Chasidim (worldwide.)February 17, 2011 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #886135
This is a very non-trivial project you have taken on!
The 2001 National Jewish Population Survey estimated that there were about 529,000 Orthodox Jews in America: 324,000 adults and 205,000 children. The latter number matches almost exactly the count of children in day schools done by Dr. Marvin Schick a few years later for the Avi Chai foundation. A more recent survey shows some growth in day school enrollment.
There have been a lot of studies of local Jewish populations, most recently in New Haven CT. Here is a site with links:
The Israel Central Bureau of Statistics publishes estimates of that country’s Jewish population:
Their attitude is “a Jew is a Jew is a Jew” so they don’t break down the population by observance levels. A good estimate of the adult Charedi population might be obtained from the fraction of votes obtained by the Charedi political parties in elections; a good estimate of the population of frum kids might be found from school enrollments. Adult Religions Zionists are more difficult, though, as they vote for many different political parties.
Good luck!February 17, 2011 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #886136kgh5771Participant
Hitler, y”sh, didn’t have differentiated between observant and non-observant, let alone Chareidi and MO…February 17, 2011 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #886137
From the 2003 Jewish Federation Survey:
Neighborhood # Jews % O # O
Williamsburg 52,700 94% 49,538
Flatbush/Midwood/Kensington 101,100 54% 54,594
Borough Park 76,600 74% 56,684
Fresh Meadows/KewGardens Hills/Hillside 28,200 51% 14,382February 17, 2011 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #886138
“How about a definition the covers anyone who always refuses a job on Shabbos, and keeps some standard of kashrus “
If you are shomer Shabat and you have a kosher home, you are part of the Orthodox community even if you don’t observe any other mitzvot: Guests can eat in your home.February 17, 2011 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #886139Chaim ShnaimParticipant
kgh5771, knish isn’t researching for Hitler yimach shemo so it’s fine to only count frum people if he/she wants to.
BTW How many people use The Yeshiva World?February 17, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #886140
“If you are shomer Shabat and you have a kosher home, you are part of the Orthodox community”
The requirement to be a practicing Shomer Shabat is not the Federation criteria of the Orthodox label let alone Chareidi. Accordingly, the numbers are much lower, especially out of New York City when using standard daati definitions.February 17, 2011 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #886141winny1Participant
can’t answer the specifics you asked for, but i can say there are not enough.July 19, 2012 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #886142WIYMember
The present estimate for Orthodox Jews in Eretz Yisrael is between 900 thousand and one million; in North America, between 550-650 thousand; and in the rest of the world between 120-150 thousand, making for a total of between 1.67-1.8 million.July 20, 2012 1:13 am at 1:13 am #886143Sam2Participant
We don’t count Jews.July 20, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am #886144KozovMember
How many Jews aren’t there and whats the world population? 😉
How many times can I say Hoshia Es Amecha?
How many Jews should I not count?
Nisht um Yidden geredt. How many Challos?July 20, 2012 2:01 am at 2:01 am #886145pcozMember
Is that because Jews don’t count?
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