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Civil marriages are virtually banned in Israel. Stav estimates that a third of all secular Israeli couples choose that option, and says those couples distance themselves from Judaism because they lack the religious marriage documents that would certify their future children as Jewish. (from a site linked to YWN)
Is it worth having a religious (and no Civil) marriage requirement if many couples either get married elsewhere or don’t get married at all instead?
It is not worth it if it pushes away yidden from yiddishkeit. Even if they had a courtroom with a chuppa in it, at least some sort of halachic requirement would be met…
There is no need for Cyprus even if someone cant get a marriage performed or recognized by the State rabbunut. Any Jew in Israel can use any Rabbi and any two kosher witnesses and perform a fully halachic marriage without any State recognition.
Cyprus is for situations where marriage is against halacha. Like marrying a Russian goyta or a Jew marrying an Arab.
Israel is very liberal in recognizing “de facto” marriages (and unlike western legal systems, Jewish law gives children of unmarried parents full rights in terms of inheritance, support, etc.). It is wishful thinking that this promotes national unity. If the government mandated “religious” ceremonies are valid (that’s a point of debate), it increases the liklihood of mamzerim. It is important psychologically to the Religious Zionists who want a facade of Israel being a “Jewish” state, but is less to the hareidi who see through that “facade.”
The Rabbanut has put on very strict interpretations of who is a jew and for many americans who made Aliyah, they have to Prove they are are jew, rather than they are belived to be a jew.
Many people decide, I am not going to prove I am jew which is tough for most american jews and get married elsewhere.
Reform converts from America are recognized as Jewish in Israel, and the Reform convert can officially marry a real Jew in Israel. So the Israeli recognition of who is a Jew is virtually meaningless.
I am not talking about converts, I am talking about jews from birth, People whose families emigrated to the US around or before World War I
SB – “It is not worth it if it pushes away yidden from yiddishkeit. Even if they had a courtroom with a chuppa in it, at least some sort of halachic requirement would be met… “
I think that since these are the types of couples where having the husband give a get if they get divorced (I imagine their divorce rates are higher than the average Israeli rate since the chareidi divorce rate is low – yes I know it’s increasing unfortunately), it is most likely better that any semblance of a Jewish marriage be avoided to keep the woman from becoming an aguna and later mamzeirim.
Chevron – where do you have the information that a person who is a ger through Reform in America is considered Jewish in Israel? I know of orthodox geirim who have difficulty getting their geirus approved in Israel.
“It is not worth it if it pushes away yidden from yiddishkeit.”
And it is so worth it when it’s mekarev Yidden. There’s an organization in E”Y which tries to take over the official Halacha shiur which non-religious kallos must take in the rabbanut and turn it into an incredible, beautiful experience for the kalla. They currently teach about 15% of the non-religious kallos in E”Y and have been mekarev thousands of young couples this way…
Ok, but that is one of the factors that in general is dividing Klal Yisrael apart, that is why we have a modern orthodox rabbi running for chief rabbi because people apparently do not view MO people as being such bad people compared to chareidim?
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