August 30, 2015 2:28 am at 2:28 am #616282
While not foolproof, I’ve found one of the ways to figure out who the true yirei shamayim is to see who gets the most criticisms on the so-called Jewish blogs and facebook and other social media. The rabbonim most heavily criticized online by the bloggeratti and others calling themselves Orthodox, tend to be the most fearless yirei shamayim. The rabbis who the online crowd are crowing about and praising, beware of.
Not foolproof, of course, but often a good yardstick.August 30, 2015 3:37 am at 3:37 am #1098437ubiquitinParticipant
Is this only true for Rabbonim? Or is donald Trump the biggest yorei Shomayim of the presidential contenders?August 30, 2015 4:37 am at 4:37 am #1098438
I’m speaking specifically about the Orthodox online chatter. No idea about general political comments. I don’t read Huffington or Daily Kos.August 30, 2015 5:03 am at 5:03 am #1098439DaMosheParticipant
On this site, I see a lot of praise for R’ Chaim Kanievsky and R’ Shteinman. I’ve seen a lot of criticism towards R’ Tendler and other YU Rabbonim.August 30, 2015 5:12 am at 5:12 am #1098440☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Pretty sure Joseph didn’t mean YWN when he referred to “Jewish blogs and facebook and other social media” (Joseph’s on Facebook??!! [No wonder they reached one billion]).
Which YU rav besides Tendler gets regular criticism here?August 30, 2015 5:16 am at 5:16 am #1098441
This site is swarmed out in a sea of the opposite. This little corner is hardly representative of the Jblogosphere.August 30, 2015 5:50 am at 5:50 am #1098442Torah613TorahParticipant
Rooting for the underdog is a very liberal thing to do, Joseph.
Although I do agree that this site is not representative of the Jew-ish internet world.August 30, 2015 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #1098443Sam2Participant
A large, large percentage of the Jewish blogosphere is heavily critical of Avi Weiss, Ysoschor Katz, and Open Orthodoxy.
It’s good to know where Joseph’s true loyalties now lie 😛August 30, 2015 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #1098444
Whatever criticisms Weiss, Katz and OO receives in the blogosphere, they all have their strong and vocal supporters consistently coming to their defense online. The rabbonim I am referring to generally have few standing up for them in the blogosphere. Generally speaking criticisms of them will result in a bunch of yes-men commenting how correct the attacks on them really and truly are.August 30, 2015 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1098445Sam2Participant
I don’t know what blogs you read, but there is no one really (except edited) who don’t have at least some people strongly defending them.August 30, 2015 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1098446blubluhParticipant
It’s a sensitive issue, but, for me at least, there are differences in methodology between selecting one’s personal rav or posek and formulating an opinion about more public figures with international notoriety.
Choosing one’s rav is more about compatibility, approachability and accessibility than knowledge, provided the rav has the integrity to recognize his own limitations. Issues beyond the knowledge and experience of any rav can be addressed in consultation with other rabbanim possessing greater knowledge and experience.
However, as far as public figures are concerned, the best approach is simply to listen/read pronouncements made in their name and then refrain from public criticism of those pronouncements or the person even on topics one feels strongly about. There’s just no way anyone can judge from a distance the character and abilities of those publicized as Torah leaders.
In what I think are the vast majority of times, people choose and then root either for or against a particular gadol the same way people choose to root for against sports teams or athletes, l’havdil. It becomes more about one’s personal pride (he’s the rav I chose or he supports *my* opinion on the matter, so I proclaim his merits or, r”l, the opposite) than an honest evaluation of the issue or person.September 1, 2015 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #1098447screwdriverdelightParticipant
I could take one look at them and determine the good ones.September 2, 2015 2:50 am at 2:50 am #1098448ItcheSrulikMember
Joseph, your way sounds too complicated and involves wasting too much time on Jewish blogs. What happened to the old way of seeing who has the longest coat?September 2, 2015 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1098449
IS: Haven’t you noticed that the leading members of the modern and daati rabbinical class have adopted the frock and hat?
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