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    Haimy
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    As someone that recently left Kollel to work full time, I would greatly appreciate hearing from others how they dealt with the transition & remained true bnei Torah. Are there Shiurim that you found helpful, a learning program you joined, how do you continue growing in learning?

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    baishatalmuder
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    You continue to grow in learning by learning the way you learned in yeshiva. And that is not by going to shiurim where the maggid shiur simply feeds you up the gemora on a platter based on the work on understanding the sugyha that he did. The way to continue to grow in learning is to learn the gemora yourself, and when you don’t understand something to work on it yourself. To learn the tosfos and rishonim and to understand them based on your own work, using the ability to know how to learn that you picked up in yeshiva.

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    lesschumras
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    I’m curious as to what the kollel did to help with the transition.

    #1326285

    gefilte
    Participant

    Haimy, now is your chance to actually put being a ben torah into practice. It’s not just about learning it all, it’s about living it all.

    #1326440

    Uncle Ben
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    Gefilte; your words imply someone in Kollel is not a practicing Ben Torah. You imply that that can only be achieved by leaving Kollel!
    Disclaimer: I myself have never been in a Kollel.

    #1329039

    mik5
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    Do you work in a Yiddishe company or goyishe?

    To remain a ben torah (this includes advice about learning, but also other aspects of being/ remaining a ben torah while in the workforce):

    (1) Be kovea i’tem every day, immediately after (or before) the morning prayers, before going to work. Emphasis should be on Halacha. Even if you literally have only one minute.
    (2) Be extremely makpid about tefilla b’tzibbur.
    (3) Tzitzis out at work. Wear a big yarmulke.
    (4) Not to shake hands with women at work under any circumstances. And make it known that you don’t shake hands with women. It will be awkward, but it will give you a sense of Jewish pride and help to create a certain distance between you and the goyim. Also, to be careful about yichud, and not to look for heterim.
    (5) Really use Shabbos for learning (and Sunday, as well) – not to waste even a moment of time. Same goes for days off.
    (6) Keep in touch with kollel/ rosh kollel, etc.
    (7) Learn on the train while traveling to and from work.
    (8) To daven in yeshivishe minyanim whenever possible (e.g., on Shabbos), as opposed to baal habatishe minyanim.

    #1329495

    refoelzeev
    Participant

    I believe this article was written for your question

    Sorry, no links

    #1329635

    refoelzeev
    Participant

    There’s an article in Klal Perspectives Winter 2015 that addresses this topic.

    #1330204

    twisted
    Participant

    I don;t chap the hava amina. Is there not an indelible pnimius to someone who learned so long?

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