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You: Professor and traffic engineer is working on making sure that no one dies on the road anymore.
You:He’s part of a visionary project to make safer streets for all people, including drivers, bicyclists, motorcyclists, and pedestrians.
Person: But those people are going to die anyway according to Hashem’s Will.
You:
saving lives is good. It’s not as if Jews stop giving CPR because a death is “according to Hashem’s will”. Maybe Hashem’s will is for you to save them. Maybe he’s acting through us. It’s always better to help.
As I understand it, Hashem allows Himself room, so to speak, to modify His plans in response to human conduct. This is how a person has free bechira to choose to murder someone in cold blood, or not to.
But this applies to premeditated deaths by other people, not to accidental deaths. Accidental deaths are entirely decreed by Hashem, except for cases where a person puts himself into an unusually dangerous situation, in which case it is kind of their fault, and Hashem might decide to let “nature” take its course unless they have extra zechusim to allow them to beat the odds.
However, the definition of “unusually dangerous” is relative to current societal norms, so if it is considered normal in society to go about one’s daily business in the streets, then this is fine even if the rates of traffic accidents are relatively high.
Thus if the traffic engineer’s scheme will only prevent accidental deaths, then the other person is correct that it is all up to Hashem who decrees who will die, and the scheme is pointless. But if the scheme will also prevent deliberate deaths, such as terrorists mowing down pedestrians, then it is worthwhile.
It is a person’s choice whether to try to harm someone or help them. but not whether to succeed.
While everything that happens has been preplanned and predetermined by Hashem, it doesnt seem like Hashem wants us to take action or inaction based on this concept.
We are still required to do the necessary hishtadlus that is deemed appropriate to reach the objective, thats how Hashem designed the universe.
Lightbrite,
My answer would be there is a mitzvah to put a fence on ones roof (even though the person would die according to 讚壮 will, see the 讙诪专讗 住谞讛讚专讬谉 that even though there鈥檚 no capital punishment by 讘讬转 讚讬谉, then 讚壮 will still take care of it) because it shouldn鈥檛 be because of you
2scentsParticipant
While everything that happens has been preplanned and predetermined by Hashem, it doesnt seem like Hashem wants us to take action or inaction based on this concept.
We are still required to do the necessary hishtadlus that is deemed appropriate to reach the objective, thats how Hashem designed the universe.
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And this is precisely why u cant just sit back and not work because hashem will provide anyway and u wont get a penny so why work harder to make more money.
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Yes, i ve heard the argument of this being a curse so it doesnt apply.
Quite frankly thats apikursis“Person: But those people are going to die anyway according to Hashem鈥檚 Will.”
You: It is also Hashems will that we do everything we can to live safe and healthy lives. Tamin Tihyeh Im Hashem Elokecha.
“Person: But those people are going to die anyway according to Hashem鈥檚 Will.”
You: It is also Hashems will that we do everything we can to live safe and healthy lives. If it Hashems will a person dies in a traffic fatality, no matter how safe it is Hashems will, ill prevail. If it is Hashems will that a person not die, then it doesnt matter if they are at the opening of the gas chamber, they will not die, unless they deliberately place themselves there. We are responsible to deal with the things in our control, which includes reasonable precautions to lead safe lives, after that, Daven.
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