May 26, 2013 4:03 am at 4:03 am #609419
So, basically, over the past few months, everywhere I have turned, they want me to volunteer for them instead of me getting paid. I am 19 and I need at the very least, money to subsidize my daily expenses. How come people don’t understand that and why can’t they be upfront about it? Yeah, I am angry, and it was multiple Jewish organizations that have done this to me. If you ask me to come in for a job interview, and say you hire me, then I expect to get paid. What do you think? Has this ever happened to you? Its such a chillul Hashem, and my mom (who isn’t religious at this point in her life) is so angry and thinks everyone is brainwashing me into being such a chessed girl…May 26, 2013 4:22 am at 4:22 am #955247aspiring rabbiParticipant
Sounds pretty rough. Hatzlacha finding a job.May 26, 2013 4:46 am at 4:46 am #955248
Plus, I can’t afford on a financial level to be Batsheva Kanievsky, and even she had a job for money.May 26, 2013 4:50 am at 4:50 am #955249BronyParticipant
hint: this is the new normal. if you don’t mind me asking, what is your level of education? what kind of position are you seeking?May 26, 2013 5:05 am at 5:05 am #955250
Thank you!May 26, 2013 5:06 am at 5:06 am #955251
What type of skills do you have?
You have every right to get paid for the work you do! if you want to take an unpaid internship somewhere that is fine, but it should be your choice and it should be with the expectation that you will get some skills of value out of it.
Expecting to get paid on time is not unreasonable. (and paying people on time is required by the Torah!)May 26, 2013 5:16 am at 5:16 am #955252
I am 19, no seminary credits, no college credits, but to be honest with you, I need to move out of my house, and I need to subsidize my daily expenses, and therefore, literally, cannot afford to be a chessed girl. I have spent a number of years volunteering, and I have had paid jobs (I am angry, and I apologize if the tone in this section was condescending).
In terms of positions I am looking for, I don’t live in Denver, or New York, and we have established that my town is having a yeshivat maharat person speak (or already spoke) at a shul that does not have a mechitza whose rabbi graduated from YCT. I am looking for just about any position that pays. I don’t have a car, and we have not yet established the public transportation options for my area, so I will leave that up to you all to keep on guessing. My ultimate goal as of now is to be a preschool teacher, however, I am still trying to put together the college picture, and from where I am standing, it looks like I will be responsible for paying for my college education. Ideally, I would like to work in a Jewish place, but the reality is that I will work anywhere except for churches, mosques, treif restaurants as long as I can take off of work for shabbosim and yamim tovim.May 26, 2013 5:20 am at 5:20 am #955253
fidelity, infograsp, microsoft word, will be taking the ou quickbooks course to get certification in quickbooks, starting next week, microsoft powerpoint, internet savvy, previously created special project websites (some with blogs on them), fundraising, patience, compassion, mowing lawns, cleaning the house, perseverance, persuasion, writing, won at least ten competitive scholarship competitions, love children.May 26, 2013 5:28 am at 5:28 am #955254OneOfManyParticipant
At the college (and even sometimes at the post-college) level, the bulk of the entry-level jobs you are going find are going to be unpaid. If you don’t have a lot of experience/post-secondary schooling, they presume that you will take the job without payment, seeing as you need what to put on your resume. Apart from minimum-wage jobs with little opportunity for advancement and/or no resume value, it’s tough to find good, entry level, paying jobs.
(The most annoying is when they expect applicants for an unpaid internship to have experience in the field–can’t even TELL you how many times I have encountered this. I don’t get it at all. :/)May 26, 2013 5:32 am at 5:32 am #955255
I understand that, but I feel that if they made me fill out TAX FORMS, then they must pay me. Now they have my social security number and for no reason at all.May 26, 2013 5:54 am at 5:54 am #955256commonsenseParticipant
Vogue, i don’t know if this is realistic but maybe you could move to NY. there are many oot town girls who share apartments so the rent would be relatively cheap. You can get assistant jobs in preschools relatively easily and they pay although not very much. There are a few special ed/regular ed programs done by frum places through colleges and they make possible to graduate much sooner.May 26, 2013 6:00 am at 6:00 am #955257
HELP ME? I almost did that after pesach, but my job fell through. Look, I am not here to beg for money, but I really need it…May 26, 2013 6:00 am at 6:00 am #955258☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
If this has happened to you frequently, it seems that when you arrange the interview, you should ask up front if it’s a paid position.May 26, 2013 6:06 am at 6:06 am #955259
I actually e-mailed someone who is going to look into creating a position for me (a person I have known for four years now, so I was completely comfortable mentioning this) and said that since I had issues with other Jewish organizations doing this to me, that I just wanted to clarify that it needs to be a paid position, and stated my current goals and needs (which he already knew before the initial e-mail… heck, I know so many people in real life that I haven’t even touched base with everyone I was close with before seminary since I got back and I have been back for over two months!May 26, 2013 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #955260zahavasdadParticipant
Everyone wants to work for a “Jewish” place so the owners can afford to pay less(Supply and demand) and it seems many are unwilling to work in a regular place.
The demand is much greater than the supply.
Apply for a job at a regular place. They will treat your normal likely pay you regular salaries and while there is always demand, it is a lot less than a Hemish place.May 26, 2013 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #955261
First of all good luck. I remember about 3 down turns ago when I was looking for my first job, it took a long time (and the job I ended up getting was lousy)
Second figure out what you want to do/be and make a plan. Don’t just send out thousands of Resumes and hope one of them hits. It might work but the odds are against you. What you want to do is network. Figure out where the people you want to work with meetup and go there. (meetup.com is your friend here) Get to know them, sooner or later with luck someone will know someone who needs whatever it is you can do.
Yea, its not easy at first but its the way it is. And be working on new skills constantly!May 26, 2013 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #955262
For sure unfortunately meet up does not have any groups relevant to me in my area but I Wikipedia keep it in mind in the future. I have been networking for a while that is why I keep on landing the chessed jobs…May 26, 2013 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #955263
*WillMay 26, 2013 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #955264
Any other ideas? I have done everything I can think of but I am in a really tough situation. Unless I am guaranteed a job in ny I can’t go there even for interviewsMay 27, 2013 12:47 am at 12:47 am #955265flyerParticipant
if you are interested in moving to philly area – TA of philadelphia is looking for preschool assistants. There are some single teachers that you may be able to live with.HatzlachaMay 27, 2013 12:48 am at 12:48 am #955266ChanieEParticipant
If your network is keeping you trapped in volunteer positions, it sounds like you need a better network 🙂
Do you have access to a state Department of Labor office (you can probably even search online) or a community college guidance office?
Maybe you can walk into local establishments and ask if they’re hiring?May 27, 2013 1:31 am at 1:31 am #955267
Flyer, I will keep that in mind. I have a phone date with someone later tonight…
ChanieE- I agree, I can look online, none of the local establishments are hiring/ will drop my application because I can’t work on shabbos.May 27, 2013 1:58 am at 1:58 am #955268ChanieEParticipant
The Labor Department or college office should help you – that’s lot better than just looking online at Monster or something.
Are there any frum businesses (not chessed orgs!) in your area, where Shabbos won’t be an issue? Alternately, maybe you can look for an office job in a non-frum setting, where it’s 9-5 Monday through Friday? Most places should accommodate leaving a little early winter Fridays if you explain how you’re happy to come in early or stay late to make up the time. Maybe a medical office?
As an aside, what kind of tax forms were you asked to fill out before getting an offer with details? Don’t provide your social security number. If you’re applying at a major corporation where they want to run a background check that’s one thing but by that point you’ll know how much they’re paying.
Hatzlacha rabbah!May 27, 2013 2:34 am at 2:34 am #955269
no frum businesses where I live. I have been looking in offices, none have come back with results. The tax forms were proof I am eligible to work in the united states.May 27, 2013 3:07 am at 3:07 am #955270gefenParticipant
Vogue: How about Chicago. There’s TI- a frum college for girls only. You can dorm there as well. You can also find part time jobs here as a start – as a teacher’s assistant. You can also put your name on a substitute list. Hatzlacha Rabba.May 27, 2013 3:10 am at 3:10 am #955271Menachem MelamedParticipant
Why don’t you look for a position as an assistant in a school that pays fair wages and rent an apartment with some other girls. Look for a community that has shidduch prospects, or is not to far from the large communities. You will make some money and gain experience. If you en joy teaching you might take courses so that you can move up to a full teaching position when you are ready to.May 27, 2013 3:19 am at 3:19 am #955272
I would like to do that, but with no money, there is no way I can get anywhere.May 27, 2013 3:22 am at 3:22 am #955273
Gefen, chicago is a wonderful community, I am close with a number of people there, its just not exactly my type, and I have looked into TI, things don’t necessarily work out, I tried moving to chicago at one point.
MM, I have been trying to do that, but none of the schools in my semi-close area have room in their budgets or will hire someone who isn’t certified.May 27, 2013 4:19 am at 4:19 am #955274fight4TorahMember
There are many people who make a great parnasa working for online companies… and then it doesn’t matter where you live. A popular one is medical billing. You may find an online course for an online job that you are interest in, and then you can make a decent living at home. And maybe then go to school to become a preschool teacher, when you have the online job and don’t have to move anywhere to support yourself.May 27, 2013 6:04 am at 6:04 am #955275
Medical billing is dropping in demand at the moment.May 27, 2013 6:27 am at 6:27 am #955276
Where are you located? Sounds like Overland Park, but there could be another shul like that in the Midwest.
You need a Bachelors degree. As an alternative, while going for your degree, maybe get a CNA, or a Pharmacy Technician credential to make a few dollars and put yourself through school.May 27, 2013 6:49 am at 6:49 am #955277commonsenseParticipant
No one will hire you to work in a preschool without an interview but maybe you can skype an interview and they can check your references. Do you have anyone in a city with a bigger frum community who can help set you up?May 27, 2013 6:51 am at 6:51 am #955278
Warmer but not quite. I have been there before though. Life is to complicated to get a ba are the momentMay 27, 2013 9:44 am at 9:44 am #955279EY MomParticipant
Vogue, have you tried the Agudah or OU? Both offer career counseling, as far as I know. I think Young Israel might have something, also.
Do you have contacts in NY who could help you get at least enough job leads that it would be worth doing a pilot trip? Maybe friens from seminary? There are definitely a lot more options there – both in terms of jobs and of community – than it seems there are in your location. You might also be able to find a family who would give you room and board in exchange for household help and/or help with the kids.
I wish I could help you with more specifics. May Hashem send you brachah and hatzlachah in everything you do!May 27, 2013 9:48 am at 9:48 am #955280
I am curious, because I know a lot of the YCT musmachim.May 27, 2013 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #955281
Without a BA you are going to find it harder. In general there is a direct correlation between level of education and ability to find work, and the quality of that work.
You might want to start as a Virtual Assistant. You can probably charge $30/hr for that once you get going and if you can find a few good clients it will keep you going quite well. You will just need a phone and a computer.May 27, 2013 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #955282
Ey mom amen. Know people but I already had my pilot trip before pesach and it was not successful.
Rebdoniel I understand but I am not willing to tell you.
Zach I know and have tried doing that but the only places I know are where you compete against people from third world countries and can only charge five dollars an hours.May 27, 2013 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #955283
Yea, you never want to try to lowball price, because there is someone out there who will do it for $2/hr. You can’t do that. You can however compete on quality and the like. I tried doing something similar years ago and it went no where.
I won’t say it will be easy, but it is possible. Tip, go find the podcast “The Freelancer’s Show” and listen to that. It might have some good stuff for you. I actually know the guy who runs it.May 27, 2013 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #955284
OK I will look into it.May 27, 2013 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #955285
You should get some vocational training, whether as a Nurse’s Assistant, or Home Health Aide, or just something where the employment is steady. Use your earnings from that to get working on a degree.May 27, 2013 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #955286
nothing school wise is currently in the cards, other than the quickbooks course I had to fight for.May 27, 2013 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #955287
Also, none of the schools I have spoken to are willing to interview people who are not certified/ skype for an interview.May 28, 2013 4:55 am at 4:55 am #955288
Get married perhaps? You won’t be able to charge for babysitting thoughMay 28, 2013 5:13 am at 5:13 am #955289
I would like to but how am I supposed to shidduch date if I don’t go anywhere.May 28, 2013 5:19 am at 5:19 am #955290
Get in touch with a Schadchan, go on small “dating” trips.May 28, 2013 5:38 am at 5:38 am #955291
I don’t have a Parnasdash to support a husbandMay 28, 2013 5:43 am at 5:43 am #955292
Mmm, your husband should support you…May 28, 2013 5:51 am at 5:51 am #955293
Why and what r u trying to get at? Besides for halachaMay 28, 2013 6:04 am at 6:04 am #955295
English please?May 28, 2013 6:11 am at 6:11 am #955296
Why should my husband support me
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