May 26, 2020 1:05 am at 1:05 am #1864691
In response to the protests and the reactions in boropark/Williamsburg
Why all the comparing us to non Jews? We are supposed to be “a light unto the nations”! Nonjews not behaving is not a reason for Jews to not behave! You want to open your stores in defiance of the government? Fine! But then take your ticket politely, you can even fight it in court, but act respectably! This isn’t e”y, we’re still in golus! why do you act with an open azus? A open show of disrespect for the rule of law! These are the police officers who protect you, respect them! Did you ever see an Adam gadol call a police officer named in the street? No? Maybe there’s a reason for that?
This behavior is abhorrent, I’m embarrassed to be associated with these people. It doesn’t matter whether or not the quarantine is a good idea, as yidden we have a responsibility to act respectfully of those around us. I hope these yidden realize their mistake and act to correct it.May 26, 2020 10:10 am at 10:10 am #1864790akupermaParticipant
How does Dina Malchusa Dina apply to civil disobedience. What happens if there is widespread civil disobedience against an unjust law? Do illegal acts of non-violent refusal to obey a law have a special status when it is part of a widespread movement?May 26, 2020 10:11 am at 10:11 am #1864797MosheFromMidwoodParticipant
While I sympathsize with you, I also realize that Jews are humans and not always in control of their emotions, just like everyone else. Maybe a moment of recognition of the chillul Hashem will put a stop to the behavior, but people get caught up in the moment.May 26, 2020 10:17 am at 10:17 am #1864776commonsaychelParticipant
Its called civil disobedience, did you feel the same way when Avi Weiss did his civil disobedience? when Meir Kahane did his? when teens act stupid and prust at the salute to Israel parade?
EditedMay 26, 2020 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #1864908n0mesorahParticipant
Thew point here is that these yidden thrive on the claim that they follow their gedolim and are not influenced by current trends in how they apply Torah to themselves. When a civil commotion like this occurs, it comes across as a serious corruption of religion. The question is not about their values. Rather how come they cannot make their actions fit in with everyone else?May 26, 2020 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1864984
As an aside, why is it that when a liberal compares separating children from their parents at the border to the holocaust it is anti-semitism, but when a yid calls a police officer a nazi because he told you to social distance during an epidemic it is ok?
Double standards?May 26, 2020 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1864982
I never mentioned dina dimalchusa dina, and I don’t know the complicated halachos that apply to it, what I do know is that yidden always have to act respectfully in public. Call it whatever you want, but act respectfully.
Teens acting up at a parade is an issue, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This was adults acting extremely disrespectful to police officers, Not teens being teens. As to your specific examples, I don’t know about what happened to give an opinion. Sorry.May 26, 2020 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1865020commonsaychelParticipant
@ doing my best, try googling those name and civil disobedience and then answerMay 26, 2020 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1865122n0mesorahParticipant
Check. Neither one called anyone Nazi. But Kahane was called that. This misses the point. Your examples are of people who spoke for themselves. They had to answer for their actions. The recent stories are regular people who reflect on their community. Why is Doingmybest the one attempting to clean up for them?
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