September 8, 2020 10:57 am at 10:57 am #1899274
The blame is directly on Trump who pulled the US out of the agreement and gave Iran no positive incentive to keep the deal.
They had stopped enriching Uranium under the Obama deal and because of Trump are now enriching Uranium again to develop a bomb.
This has nothing to do with the money that was part of the deal between Iran and the Obama administration because, even according to the Obama haters, that money was already used to support terrorism. That money is gone.September 8, 2020 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1899491
The money belonged to Iran, returning their own money frozen by sanctions, see politifact.September 8, 2020 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1899495The little I knowParticipant
Sorry, Jack and Eliezer. You have both been smoking something.
Iran was in violation of the deal from the outset. IEAE was only permitted to visit certain sites, not others. Bibi provided the stolen documentation proving it all. It is sad that you won’t believe the evidence. Your lies might sound better than the truth, but they are still fiction.
Obama continually incentivized the Iranians to build nuclear weapons. The Deal that was in effect for only 10 years (after which all is openly permitted) and the limitations on accountability were clear statements to Iran to go ahead, just focus the warheads on Israel. Obama y”sh concluded with the supply of billions of dollars in cash. Yes, the money belonged to Iran. But it was holed up in US so that it would not be used to murder innocent Israelis. Obama could not tolerate that, and insured they could now finance their terror passions.
It is lame to blame Trump for this. false, and nothing other than the Dems playbook. If you’re old enough to use a computer, you should be old enough to have outgrown the silly narrative.September 8, 2020 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1899517
Obama Didn’t Give Iran ‘150 Billion in Cash’ money was from an old arms deal, See factcheck dot orgSeptember 8, 2020 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #1899523
jackk: The Israelis and Saudis have much more at stake than you do, wouldn’t you agree? And would you not also agree that the Israelis and Saudis understood, with reasonable certainty, that by pulling out of the deal, Iran will, in fact, expand its stockpile of enriched uranium? This did not surprise the Israelis or Saudis – they probably expected this. And still, they preferred this over the Iran deal because as bad as Iran stockpiling enriched uranium sounds to you and me, the Iran deal sounded worse to the Israelis and Saudis.September 8, 2020 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #1899614
I posted this on a different thread but you didn’t respond. Would you be able to answer this for me?
I hear the argument that a significant amount of the frozen assets released was payments (plus interest) for weapons that Iran was purchasing from the U.S. while the Shah was in power and President Carter blocked the shipments and froze the accounts after the revolution. So in essence the money belonged to Iran in the first place.
In 1995 an American, Alisa Flatow, was one of the victims of the Kfar Darom Bus Attack. In 1998 her father won a judgement against the Government of Iran for $247.5 Million.
My question is why didn’t President Obama withhold the $247.5 Million (plus interest) that a Federal Judge ordered the Government of Iran pay the family before releasing the funds?September 8, 2020 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1899626The little I knowParticipant
You asked: “My question is why didn’t President Obama withhold the $247.5 Million (plus interest) that a Federal Judge ordered the Government of Iran pay the family before releasing the funds?”
We all know the answer. Because it was Obama. He would never allow a dollar of money he wished to supply to the greatest terrorist regime in world history to be given to a Jew who was a victim of Iranian terror – even as per a court order. We all observed that Obama never met a terrorist he did not encourage, support, or fund. I guess that makes him a terrorist by proxy. I never thought differently about him. And he proved it to us so many times.September 8, 2020 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #1899635
I found an article entitled, Was Obama’s 1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by US law?, dated March 1, 2018 from The Journal Gazette (Glenn Kessler, Washington Post) which says that Stephen Flatow received 26 million and they established a scholarship. see journalgazette dot netSeptember 9, 2020 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1899790
$26 million is not an insignificant amount of money but it’s still more than $220 million less than what a Federal judge awarded.
Who paid out the $26 million? Which account or fund did it come from? When was it paid? Why wast the family not given the full amount?September 9, 2020 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1899856
When there are mushroom clouds over Tel Aviv the Jewish Trump supporters may finally come to their senses.September 9, 2020 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #1899943
Even according to those who believe that Iran was in compliance with their part of the treaty they were still developing destructive weapons which was fully legal under the terms of the deal- with access to billions of Dollars that they didn’t have access to beforehand.
Furthermore, the deal was only for 15 years- even if you believe that they weren’t violating the terms of the agreement do you think that they wouldn’t have LEGALLY pursued nuclear weapons once the 15 years is over?
By reneging on the deal and reinstating the sanctions President Trump has brought the Iranian leadership to the brink of financial collapse. Once the regime collapses the nuclear threat should be neutralized permanently.September 9, 2020 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #1899952
Iran was in compliance with the nuclear deal. All but Trump propagandists agree. And Trump is a known liar.
The deal pushed any possibility of Iran getting nuclear weapons from six months in the future to 15 years in the future. Trump changed that from 15 years to zero.
Nobody other than an anti-Semite could imagine that this is a positive development.September 9, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1899954
I was discussing the issue with a friend about 2 years ago and he said the exact same thing that you wrote in your last paragraph – “By reneging on the deal and reinstating the sanctions President Trump has brought the Iranian leadership to the brink of financial collapse. Once the regime collapses the nuclear threat should be neutralized permanently.”
We made a deal to come back after 2 years and see what has happened.
The regime has not collapsed yet.
Hoping the sanctions will cause the regime to collapse is not realistic anymore.
It will take an act of Hashem for the regime to collapse.
In the meanwhile, they might get Nuclear Weapons.
Although, the Israeli’s might have a few tricks up there sleeve to try to prevent it.September 9, 2020 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1899965
Charliehall: besides anti semites, the state of Israel also prefers the current situation (as does SA).September 9, 2020 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1899981
besalel, Why does Israel prefer this when the control was lifted?September 9, 2020 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1900015
I asked you some questions this morning. Would you be able to reply?September 9, 2020 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #1900014
Iran is an established country that was just given access to $150,000,000,000. While it’s no surprise that it’s been taking longer than two years for it to buckle, it can not go on like this indefinitely. Additionally, Israel’s northern neighbor, Iran’s proxy, has been relatively quiet recently- a sign that Iran has cut some of their funding and that the sanctions are working.
If they do have the ability to obtain nuclear weapons now- with all the sanctions- imagine what they would have been able to obtain after the treaty expired and there were no sanctions in place. Does anyone believe that they wouldn’t have tried? What would the treaty have accomplished besides for kicking the can down the road for 15 years and leaving it for another president to deal with.
Also, another issue that keeps getting ignored here is that even according to those who believe that Iran was adhering to their terms of the treaty and not pursuing nuclear weapons, they were pursuing other dangerous and threatening weapons allowed under the deal. That had to be stopped.September 9, 2020 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1900034
Which proxy are you referring to?
You are also drinking the kool aid if you think the only funding for Iran was from the nuclear treaty. Iran has managed to keep the cash flowing. ISIS and other terrorists being subdued, has left the Iranian government as the largest receiver of radical dollars.September 9, 2020 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1900033
Could be Israel and Saudi Arabia did not want the deal because of regional economics.September 9, 2020 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #1900040
Anybody here has a solid understanding of atomic weapons? To my ignorant mind, Iran has gotten nowhere and has switched tactics. They have moved to old fashioned partisan cross border alliances. As opposed to attempting to have regional military supremacy.September 9, 2020 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #1900049
N0mesora: anything is possible. But suggesting that Israel was willing to put up with a nuclear Iran in order to gain a fiscal edge sounds much like a conspiracy theory and I’m not very big on those. I’d like to believe Israel thinks that the Iran deal brought Iran closer to a bomb.
Rev al sharpton called those who call t defund the police latte liberals who debate academic theories and lack the perspective of being “on the ground.” Those who defend Obama on the Iran deal sound very much the same to me.September 9, 2020 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1900038
You cannot blame Trump for foreign policy. How is he supposed to know any better? He could be blamed for cozying up to dictators and rogue governments.
You cannot blame Obama for foreign policy. How is he supposed to know any better? If could be blamed for advancing diplomacy to rogue governments and dictators.
Odd to me how these two are seen as opposites.September 10, 2020 11:10 am at 11:10 am #1900152
I expect that Iran and it’s regime can and will go on. The only way they go is if there is a revolution.
Syria has not been too much quieter. On August 4 , Israeli aircraft struck Syrian military targets on Monday, the Israeli army confirmed in a rare statement.
All the sanctions will accomplish is to make the Iranian people suffer. Nothing more.
My point is that those who think that Obama was the Great Anti-Semite because he wanted to make a nuclear treaty with Iran and that Trump is a genius because he threw away the treaty have not been proven correct.
Hashem watches over the people of Israel and was watching over them under Obama and is watching them now under Trump too.
We have seen this special protection before when Saddam Hussein sent 39 Scud missiles with biological agents at them and they barely had any deaths.September 10, 2020 11:56 am at 11:56 am #19001852scentsParticipant
“All the sanctions will accomplish is to make the Iranian people suffer. Nothing more.”
Or, it might convince the Iranian people to revolt, to choose a better life than the higher mission of destroying Israel.
“My point is that those who think that Obama was the Great Anti-Semite because he wanted to make a nuclear treaty with Iran and that Trump is a genius because he threw away the treaty have not been proven correct.”
Missing one keyword, yet. Have not YET been proven correct.September 10, 2020 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1900283
2scents. I agree with your edit. I also agree that maybe the Iranians will rebel. But even if they do, the regime has the guns and the army to shut it down. Just look at HK. A place which was fully democratic and in a short period has lost many freedoms due to China taking over their country.
Even though I disagree with the Trump path, it might never be proven incorrect. If he loses in November, it all falls apart. Just like Obama’s was never given a chance to be proven or disproved.September 10, 2020 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #19003082scentsParticipant
That’s why a 4 or 8 year term is a good thing. It limits the damage that any president can do.September 10, 2020 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1900393
“Just look at HK. A place which was fully democratic and in a short period has lost many freedoms due to China taking over their country.”
HK was never democratic under British rule.September 10, 2020 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1900445
I suspect Israel is not afraid of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Tiger equation of internal benchmarks is laughingly incompetent. Israel has brazenly derailed their nuclear program several times. Mid East supremacy is very much about economics. Like Begin and sending F-16s to Saudi Arabia.September 10, 2020 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1900446
Aside from the rhetoric, Iran is not out to abolish Israel. Their goal is regional domination, and global relevance. The first direct aggression ever committed by Iran to Israel, happened the last several years.
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