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@square_root, you asked:
Why do the Chareidi anti-Zionists not cry when they
hear that “OUR soldiers” have been killed?We jews have been crying over the deaths of heretical Jews long before these evil men men became soldiers.
Regarding your Artscroll quotes, I don’t see any chidush that Rav Aurbach ztz”l cried over the deaths of “Jewish” American soldiers like earlier gedolim cried over the deaths of “Jewish” cantonist soldiers, “Jewish” polish soldiers, and “Jewish” kapos in the nazi ghettos and camps.
Some jew, how are american soldiers, cantonists and jews in the polish army heretical? But you are right that r Auerbach continues the tradition of rabbis of previous generations in their ahavas Israel. I am not sure why you refuse to follow.
I was responding to the comment that said “Most of those soldiers who died were NEVER religious and NEVER Shomer Shabbat.”, so those Jews are by definition heretics (even if tinok sh’nishbu).
Anyone who is not part of “klal yisroel”, like a michalel shabbos, kosher Jews are obligated to hate (avos d’r”nusen, quoted in multiple places l’halacha including sefer chofetz chaim) and loving rashaim is itself an avaira and a p’gam in “ahavas yisroel”.
If a rusha, chas v’shalom, dies without doing tshiva, we see in Gemara Sanhedrin that Hashem is pained.
> those Jews are by definition heretics (even if tinok sh’nishbu).
you need to read up on yor chofetz chaim and rambam. Join daf yomi as this discussion is coming up in Shevuos 5 … tinok sh’nishbu is NOT heretic and is NOT to be obligated to be hated. You should like Yoav run to your cheder teacher and slain him in case he taught you wrong.
In case of the soldiers mentioned here – recruited into Russian army – were often the poor and orphans – often using questionable methods protecting “more observant” Jews (guilty of violating mitzvos related to orphans and poor), and thus having less chances of being observant. More “regular” Jews were recruited into the democratic Polish army, but still even if they were “regular” Jews (that is observant when in the community), their observance decreased when in the goyishe army… Steipler, for example, was conscripted into the Russian army and was mesiros nefesh for keeping mitzvos but not everyone was.
There is a sheila of such soldiers addressed to Chofetz Chaim (yes, they asked shailos) about eating non-kosher meat. His response was – you are allowed to eat the meat but not such the bones (i.e. not to enjoy it).
Another story I heard is from R Berel Wein – during his father’s class a goyishe/uneducated dressed person came into beis midrash. Rav’s father interrupted the class and got up to shake the man’s hand. He later eplained to the surprised Berel that this was a kantonist who went thru 25 years of Russian army, is very much an ignoramus and not a baal middos, but he came back to the Jewish community and deserves a lot of respect.
Think its time for square root to stop his propaganda that haredi youth should enlist, going AGAINST the clear directives of gdolei yisrael.
@square
It’s not me who doesn’t like it.
Its gdolei yisrael who don’t like it.
They don’t like it.
They don’t like to the writers.
And the copiers.
So the complaints are at the right address.
.yankel > Its gdolei yisrael who don’t like it.
I think you mean to say that the rabbis you follow do not agree with the person in the article. Not that they “do nor like the article” that seemingly simply reported facts.
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