If a pig was genetically modified to chew its cud, would it be kosher?

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    Shulem Lemmer
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    If they were to genetically modify a pig to chew its cud, would it be kosher?

    #1570916

    laskern
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    The Ohr Hachaim says in Parshas Shemini that there will be a new pig created by the redemption that will chew its cud which will be kosher. Aisov who is compared to the pig being fake showing its cut hoofs will repent and therefore it will become kosher.

    #1570919

    laskern
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    According to the above Ohr Hachaim why do we need to create a new entity let us do a genetic modification to make it kosher?

    #1570954

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Laskern,

    Why doesn’t genetically modifying make it new?

    #1570964

    akuperma
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    1. You aren’t talking about “genetic modification” but rather a total rearrangement and redesign of its internal organs and digestive tract. At that point, it would not be a pig. It goes beyond, even from a science fiction perspective, genetic modification (cf: quotation above showing this can not be done by science but only by a Ha-Shem).

    2. It would have no messorah.

    3. A more reasonable question would be modification of the hoofs of camels and llamas.

    #1571015

    laskern
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    I remember that a kosher animal that chews its cud has multiple stomachs so I don’t think this is scientifically possible.

    #1571280

    Toi
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    Either way, it’ll be a yotzei min hatomaeh tomeh.

    #1571324

    Milhouse
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    akuperma, a mesorah is required only for birds. There is no such requirement for mammals, and nobody has the right to invent one.

    #1571325

    Milhouse
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    Yes, such a pig would be a different species from the treife pig, and it would be kosher. (Every twenty years or so, somebody “discovers” the babirusa pig, which has an stomach similar to that of ruminants, and jumps to the conclusion that it is actually a ruminant pig, and therefore kosher. This causes a huge burst of discussion until someone bursts the bubble by pointing out that it doesn’t actually ruminate, and is therefore treif after all. Twenty years later someone else makes the same discovery and the cycle repeats.)

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    Joseph
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    Pork, anyone?

    #1571384

    👑RebYidd23
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    Even if a mesorah were required, wouldn’t the mesorah only have to start with the birth of the first of the species?

    #1571385

    👑RebYidd23
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    What about genetically combining a pig and a llama?

    #1571400

    Takes2-2tango
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    The libs are currently working on it. They first have to finish turning a male into a female and vice versa

    #1571403

    apushatayid
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    If I had wheels, could I be a bus?

    #1571416

    Takes2-2tango
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    If a human chews its cud are they kosher too . I see it all day long. All that needs to be determined is thier hoof status.

    #1571633

    huju
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    I like apushyyid’s comment about a bus.

    If you want a kosher pig, it might be easier to genetically modify a goat to have a short curly tail, shorter legs and a shorter snout. Or you could buy those faux bacon chips and sprinkle them on veal.

    #1574199

    knaidlach
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    there is a chakira whether the simanim are the cause that makes the animal kosher? or its just a sign that the animal is kosher for other reasons?

    #1574211

    DovidBT
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    If you want a kosher pig, it might be easier to genetically modify …

    What about modifying the pig to have fins and scales, and to live in the sea? That would have the advantage of not requiring shechitah.

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