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Honestly, I hear some people say how great it is that he is Jewish. If he was born in Poland in the 30’s he would have been pushing against the yeshivos and for Bundism, secualr Zionism or Communism.
He said his father was a Polish immigrant, didn’t even mention anything about him being a Jewish Polish immigrant. People need to stop caring about ethnic Judaism. They say, “he has a Jewish neshama”, but if you want to get technical, a huge percentage of the world is probably technically Jewish with a Jewish neshama (whatever that means). Much of India, Spain, Africa, the US, all of Europe- im sure many of these people are techinically Jewish. Who cares about ethnic Judaism its your belief and being mekayem mitzvos that matter.
If Bernie Sanders is Jewish, I’m a Christmas Tree
I guess you are a Christmas Tree?
If his mother is jewish and it appears she was by her name Dorothy Glassburg , then he is Jewish. Nothing else matters. that is the Halacha.
What’s it like to be a Christmas tree?
If Dorothy’s mother was jewish, then Bernie is. Nothing else matters, including his mother’s name. That is the Halacha.
Much of India, Spain, Africa, and US? That’s just not true. In the slightest.
In general, it’s not a good thing to call other Jews non-Jews, even if those Jews don’t care for their Judaism.
Sam, I was also preplexed about the India and Africa comment. But much of Spain very well may be, as half the Jewish population converted at the Inquisition (the other half fled. And recent DNA studies in Spain indicate much of the population have Jewish blood.
Pine?
Those ornaments hanging on you are very nice.
Newbee -“so dont vote for Sanders because he has a Jewish neshama.”
Unfortunately some people will! What ethnic group gave our President 98% of their vote?!?
It doesn’t matter what your point was. You’re still a tree.
Am I the only one who doesn’t care about the President’s religion?
I care because I think it would be a big chillul Hashem if the the first atheist president were Jewish.
Our political expert, Charlie Hall, would tell us that Bernie Sanders is the most Torah-true candidate due to his ultra-liberal policies.
Right, Charlie?
I hereby inform you that your subtitle was changed.
when in fact he should not be considered Jewish simply because he is on a technical level
Not sure why the “technical level”, i.e. halachah, isn’t important to you.
On a technical level, Im sure there have already been US presidents who are Jewish as well- we just don’t know they were Jewish.
I’m sure not, because halachah does not assume someone to be Jewish without a chazakah.
As an aside, no president, AFAIK, has ever claimed to be an atheist, so my point would still stand.
Joseph: Converso communities were kept separate from the main Spanish population. They were quite racist against the “former” Jews.
Newbee: It’s a B’feirush Teshuvas Hageonim that the 10 tribes are no longer Jewish.
“Who cares about ethnic Judaism its your belief and being mekayem mitzvos that matter.”
The Ribono shel olam does!
af al pi shechatu yisroel hu
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=24&daf=44&format=pdf
You make a lot of strange assumptions in the rest of your post
I’m not saying to vote for him because he is Jewish (or for any other reason). Just dont make foolish assumptions and argue with chazal please.
Incidentally why do people get a kick out of these obviously silly outlandish statements most holocaust victims werent Jewish, “Much of India, Spain, Africa, the US, all of Europe” are probably Jewish (ALL of Europe? Really?)
“lol I’ve never seen a website where strangers change user’s usernames without their knowledge or consent.”
If I had a vote your subtlte would be “I’m a christmas tree”
Okay fellows, you can ease up. Comrade Sanders isn’t going to be the nominee, let alone the President. The guy never stood a chance.
ubiquitin, I’m disappointed in your last post–you just decided to join CR tradition and cruelly mutilate our language?
I’m sorry SDD
what?
I said, “I’m disappointed in your last post–you just decided to join CR tradition and cruelly mutilate our language?”
SDD
I’m sorry I have no idea what you are trying to say
I’m disappointed in your last post–you just decided to join CR tradition and cruelly mutilate our language?”
I’m disappointed
That should be straightforward enough.
in your last post
a reference to http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/if-bernie-sanders-is-jewish-im-a-christmas-tree#post-601740, with focus on this paragraph Incidentally why do people get a kick out of these obviously silly outlandish statements most holocaust victims werent Jewish, “Much of India, Spain, Africa, the US, all of Europe” are probably Jewish (ALL of Europe? Really?).
you just decided to join CR tradition
CR stands for Coffee Room. Many posters–probably most–do their utmost to torture English.
and cruelly mutilate our language
as you did in that paragraph.
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Punctuation mark used to indicate the end of a question, being as the sentence was written inquisitively and with a touch of surprise, given that your posts usually adhere to the laws of English.
“Our political expert, Charlie Hall, would tell us that Bernie Sanders is the most Torah-true candidate due to his ultra-liberal policies.”
No, only his support for a generous welfare state are certainly Torah-true. See for example Rambam Hilchot Matanot Aniyim. Note that all the Gedolim in Medinat Yisrael have consistently supported similar policies there.
Charlie, would you vote for a professed atheist?
I dont care if he eats lox and bagels
That’s fine. What’s odd is that you don’t differentiate between someone who is Jewish and someone who is not, and that the fact that he may be an unknown Jew is relevant to you.
SDD
Thanks that was thorough. Thouhgh Meh, this isnt an English course. I think my point was easliy understood and if not I’de be happy to elaborate if someone would like
“given that your posts usually adhere to the laws of English. “
Thanks! Though I find that extemly surprising. I often type quickly or from my phone, and my posts are often full of typos, punctuation errors etc.
“only his support for a generous welfare state are certainly Torah-true. See for example Rambam Hilchot Matanot Aniyim. Note that all the Gedolim in Medinat Yisrael have consistently supported similar policies there.”
Charlie,
So an outlook that doesn’t support a generous welfare state in the U.S. isn’t Torah-true? Also, please name some of “all the Gedolim in Medinat Yisrael” that support it there as well as where they wrote this.
Forget the lox and gefilte fish already – the difference is that one is halachically Jewish because his mother is, and the other is not halachically presumed to be Jewish, despite the remote possibility that he technically is.
Do you refrain from all forms of amira l’akum (even heter) because they “very well may be” Jewish?
Newbee: See Arachin 32a
And your Rosh Yeshiva is wrong, and against the Rama and the consensus of Poskim on this issue. According to your Rosh Yeshiva, it would be Assur to marry any Ger.
On the contrary, his support for a generous welfare state is anti-Tora. Firsat of all, as I have posted before, the highest form of tzedaka is to create jobs, which is done best by limited government and a free enterprise system. Secondly, his program would bankrupt America and we do not impose financial burdens upon the public (????? ???????) even in matters involving grave danger (Gittin 45a).
Regarding gedolei Tora in Israel (Rav Hutner was very much opposed to all these schemes) supporting welfare, they only support it for avereichim. They feel that that is like working.
I would vote for an atheist if I thought he would be a good fit for the position.
“No, only his support for a generous welfare state are certainly Torah-true.”
charliehall: The structure of welfare in the U.S. is “hardly Torah True.” The whole process is demeaning and creates generations of poverty in those people. All it is, is a political tool for Democrats to insure voters who are dependent.
Real “Torah true” charity is to help someone become independent.
I would not call the possibility as remote as you would.
Do you treat non Jews as Jews for amira l’akum and other dinim?
Some people say they will vote for Sanders because he has a Jewish neshama or out of a sence of Jewish solidarity or they want to see the first Jewish president. Im saying all these notions are silly to me. Generating feelings of kinship with apikorsim simply because they are famous and esteemed by the world is nonsense.
Okay, but he’s still Jewish, and the others still aren’t. To me, it’s more of a reason not to vote for him, but the facts are the facts.
My rosh yeshiva has said this yes that a large percent of these places are really Jewish. They are hidden Jews, so dont go crazy for Jewish candidates- there is a good shot we have already had a Jewish president and dont even know it.
There are geneologists who research these things and researching presidential candiates is always done. They found for example that Obama and Mitt Romney for example were 7th or 8th cousins. So there is definatly proof that there hasnt been a jewish president
I always hear people say, oh you know how many great Jews there are- like Einstein, Freud……Bernie Sanders. Who cares.
Jews like Einstein , freud, Salk, Sabin had great contributions to society and in some cases like Salk and Sabin saved millions of lives quantifiable. So if you dont care, then you dont care about Pikuach Nefesh. Einstein also likely saved lives too but its not as quantifiable as Salk/Sabin
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